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Avio Yaken
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#1321 - 2014-03-25 23:44:48 UTC
Why are people even siding with this *******? (the scammers)

are people just ignoring that they just went off and did the most **** move imaginable and instead some are saying how the victim should be punished instead

(.___________________________________________.)/

admiral root
Red Galaxy
#1322 - 2014-03-25 23:45:44 UTC
Avio Yaken wrote:
instead some are saying how the victim should be punished instead


You don't think people should be punished for making RL death threats?

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#1323 - 2014-03-25 23:45:44 UTC
You people need to slow the **** down. You're adding new pages to this thread faster than I can read them. I'm still on page 15 and already feeling burnt out. If you ever want to hear my tidbits of wisdom on this matter, everyone just take like a four hour break so I can listen to the recording and get caught up.EvilEvilEvil

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Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#1324 - 2014-03-25 23:46:19 UTC
Quote:
not in the slightest.
there's a vast difference between he can't escape, and he didn't want to escape.


Massve difference between being so invested that he didn't feel that he could escape without losing stuff that he was emotionally invested in.

Once that had been stripped a further hour and a half was completely not needed.

It was clear he was in distress and yet it carried on. You still haven't answered that issue.

Aaaaaaand relax.

EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#1325 - 2014-03-25 23:46:52 UTC
If you don't like what he did, why don't you do something about it instead of crying on the forums trying to get someone else to do something?

Dispensing your own justice is what this game is all about. You have yourself a valid cause. Do something about it.
Avio Yaken
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#1326 - 2014-03-25 23:47:28 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Avio Yaken wrote:
instead some are saying how the victim should be punished instead


You don't think people should be punished for making RL death threats?









you do realize people make death threats in games every day right?


the guy has mental issues and he was pushed over the edge after this ****** up act, and your blaming him for being blinded by rage? not all people can handle anger well my friend, they tend to blurt out stuff they don't mean but felt

(.___________________________________________.)/

Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1327 - 2014-03-25 23:47:57 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Katkon Darnok wrote:
Absolutely despicable and clear case of cyber-bullying.


This is nothing like cyber bullying.


Legal definition

Cyberbullying is defined in legal glossaries as

-actions that use information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior by an individual or group, that is intended to harm another or others.
-use of communication technologies for the intention of harming another person
-use of internet service and mobile technologies such as web pages and discussion groups as well as instant messaging or SMS text messaging with the intention of harming another person.

Examples of what constitutes cyberbullying include communications that seek to intimidate, control, manipulate, put down, falsely discredit, or humiliate the recipient. The actions are deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior intended to harm another.


So start the Extradition Orders for all the various countries that were involved in this hostile behavior. You can't just fry Erotica1 now can you even if he is American. Maybe he's swedish. You think any foreign country is gonna hand them over. LOL. Get a life. Stop your senseless self serving lawyer talk and grow up. American laws have no say outside of your racist loving sokhar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU

LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1328 - 2014-03-25 23:48:19 UTC
Avio Yaken wrote:
Why are people even siding with this *******? (the scammers)

are people just ignoring that they just went off and did the most **** move imaginable and instead some are saying how the victim should be punished instead




because it seems a third of the player base of eve are sociopaths, and a vocal minority - outright sadists, thats why.....


If I was CCP, I would boot E1 & Co. and pass therir IPs to law enforcement.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#1329 - 2014-03-25 23:48:57 UTC
Avio Yaken wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Avio Yaken wrote:
instead some are saying how the victim should be punished instead


You don't think people should be punished for making RL death threats?


you do realize people make death threats in games every day right?


I do realise this. In fact, I've had more than one directed at me for perfectly acceptable things, like ganking and bumping. You didn't answer my question, however.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Tancred Xero
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1330 - 2014-03-25 23:49:20 UTC
Jayem See wrote:
Snupe Doggur wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Already sent the tip to CNN, BBC, Guardian, and couple of other news sites I read. Someone is bound to pick this up.

Spread the word! Force CCP to act!
Forcing CCP to act is a worthy goal, but I am more interested in quality than in speed. A quick banhammer will only fuel the apologists and rules lawyers who always demand to know exactly where a line is drawn. Just get it right, CCP, and protect yourselves from the association--whether or not you desire a particular outcome for this situation.


I think you get it.

It's not about slamming a ban on anyone. It's more about saying "Not comfortable with this - tone it down" - it reflects on their product.

After that - up to CCP. I stated before that I didn't think Erotica1 should be banned. It's up to CCP to define the line that can be crossed. Whether this is it is for them to choose. For me it crossed that line. Not my bag to make that decision/


It crossed the line for me as well. One of the things that makes online games fun is being able to play with your friends. It's hard to get friends to play this game already due to EVE's reputation for stuff like this. EVE's player base is mostly older than other MMO's, and older folks read the news and pay attention to this stuff.
Dave Stark
#1331 - 2014-03-25 23:49:28 UTC
Jayem See wrote:
Quote:
not in the slightest.
there's a vast difference between he can't escape, and he didn't want to escape.


Massve difference between being so invested that he didn't feel that he could escape without losing stuff that he was emotionally invested in.

Once that had been stripped a further hour and a half was completely not needed.

It was clear he was in distress and yet it carried on. You still haven't answered that issue.


the difference is irrelevant, he could have still left whenever the hell he pleased.

and people are casually ignoring that he's a racist that threatens people, they still haven't accepted that fact.
Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1332 - 2014-03-25 23:49:42 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Avio Yaken wrote:
Why are people even siding with this *******? (the scammers)

are people just ignoring that they just went off and did the most **** move imaginable and instead some are saying how the victim should be punished instead




because it seems a third of the player base of eve are sociopaths, and a vocal minority - outright sadists, thats why.....


If I was CCP, I would boot E1 & Co. and pass therir IPs to law enforcement.


Good thing CCP is more neutral then you. Big smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU

LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1333 - 2014-03-25 23:50:07 UTC
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Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#1334 - 2014-03-25 23:50:26 UTC
I felt it very important that I post in this thread.

Good day. Bear
Drone 16
Holy Horde
#1335 - 2014-03-25 23:50:28 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Jayem See wrote:
Marie Trudeau wrote:
Bad behavior all around, but nothing actionable.

Y

I also find the racism and threats from the victim to be as troubling, if not more troubling, than the scammer's sadism. Yes, people say things when they are at a breaking point, but it doesn't excuse the blatant racism in the least.
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I don't find that the most troubling thing here. What I do find troubling is that a group iof people finds it funny to incite somebody so hard that they lose it and resort to that kind of language.

Surely you must be reasonable enough to recognise when someone has been baited so hard that they lose their temper and say things that they regret.


I had several people send me death threats for over a week when we ran the mining interdictions. There is never an excuse for unironic racism or death threats over a game.



I bet you took great satisfaction in reporting them. You have also reported people for spawning Concord during your interdictions, I recall reading your gloating post at the time and thinking how weak that made you look. I mean here is the big bad Goon telling people to HTFU running to CCP to report some miner. You and your ilk go to great lengths to push the rules envelope to get your "fun" but you can be very sensitive when a *shudder* rule is violated. I'm sure you felt very threatened when you got the threats, or now try and be honest, did you chortle with glee as you got to screw the guy one last time with a ban?

All good, it is a game after all and ganking is great for the economy. Scamming is also good for the game. Fact is Baltec and friends, we need you. In the way every system needs its opportunistic carnivore/carrion eater. You take down the weak and make a hefty living cleaning up the muck. I sincerely thank you for the content you add.

But, naturally when one of your kind gets criticized the usual suspects and I mean that literally come out of the woodwork to make sure that their beloved "tear extraction" isn't being nerfed. You all go to great lengths to obfuscate the issue trying to turn the issue so that you shift the blame toward the "pubbie".

Then you look at the multitude of outraged players and you see something different, these aren't the guys that lurk on the forums every day, in fact many rarely post, these are the guys who just play the game. They certainly don't watch their words as carefully as you guys do. I can see that you sense a way to get some more "fun" by goading them into saying silly things by exploiting their earnestness. Rest assured you will get to report some of them because they don't see your little game yet.

So your cynicism will again be rewarded and you will leave your keyboard feeling extra validated today, you stood up for your way of life and took it to the pubbies, even though you didn't have a dog in the fight.

Meanwhile, someone did something exceptionally scummy and you will help make sure that you protect their right to continue to do so

It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits

Dave Stark
#1336 - 2014-03-25 23:50:41 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Avio Yaken wrote:
Why are people even siding with this *******? (the scammers)

are people just ignoring that they just went off and did the most **** move imaginable and instead some are saying how the victim should be punished instead




because it seems a third of the player base of eve are sociopaths, and a vocal minority - outright sadists, thats why.....


If I was CCP, I would boot E1 & Co. and pass therir IPs to law enforcement.


and would you be banning the racist, too?
Salvos Rhoska
#1337 - 2014-03-25 23:50:45 UTC
Navi Annages wrote:
So start the Extradition Orders for all the various countries that were involved in this hostile behavior.

Thanks for recognising that it indeed constitutes cyberbullying.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1338 - 2014-03-25 23:51:09 UTC
Navi Annages wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Avio Yaken wrote:
Why are people even siding with this *******? (the scammers)

are people just ignoring that they just went off and did the most **** move imaginable and instead some are saying how the victim should be punished instead




because it seems a third of the player base of eve are sociopaths, and a vocal minority - outright sadists, thats why.....


If I was CCP, I would boot E1 & Co. and pass therir IPs to law enforcement.


Good thing CCP is more neutral then you. Big smile


Perhaps. Maybe they can skip the IP part. But bans - absolutely.

Or even better, give that guy all of E1's assets. Poetic justice.
Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1339 - 2014-03-25 23:51:19 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
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mmmmhmmmm. There looking for death and destruction. Not some funny troll. People send them weird crap everyday. You think this audio file is any different?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU

Kirsi Kirjasto
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
#1340 - 2014-03-25 23:51:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirsi Kirjasto
Jayem See wrote:


I completely agree with you. No need. I also don't find the need to humiliate someone for a long time having stripped them of their assets, until they completely lose it and are obviously in distress, necessary either. To then glorify it and put it out for general consumption shows a kind of callousness I haven't seen before in this game.

Line overstepped in this instance.


Losing your 'assets' in EVE is the equivalent of like losing a game of Monopoly. (Assets in EVE have no value, and CCP can take them away at any time for any reason.)

Quiz Time:
You are down to a few hundred Monopoly dollars - and most of your properties are already mortgaged.
You, sadly, land on Park Place - upon which your opponent has a hotel.

Do you:

A) Thank your opponent for a well played match and take your leave?
B) Flip the board and refuse to play ever again?
C) Freak out. Cause your wife to freak out. Call your opponent the 'N-word' and threaten to kill him?


Most 'sane' people choose A.
Losing the bonus round, while regrettable, should be handled with a modicum of sportsmanship and class, just as in Monopoly.

Instead, as the Soundcloud clearly shows - Sohkar chose 'C'.

Sane? I'll leave that to the reader.
But people are actually suggesting that EROTICA 1 'overstepped the line' and deserves sanction?
If anything, he was the victim.