EVE General Discussion

He could have left at any time.

Only that you are ignoring the mental factor.

Silly analogy:
Shooting someone with a gun. Some people just can't do it (in a given situation). Even tho it's no different than "just a click"

Absolutely despicable and clear case of cyber-bullying. And I quote, from the blog:

"In this recording, the victim follows all instructions (or as the instigators put it, "he shows faith in the process"). Things then proceed to phase two, the "educational component." The educational section involves the victim reading the most boring, pointless tripe imaginable for long stretches. Early in the proceedings, the victim admits to having a minor speech impediment that quickly becomes apparent. One of the instigators pounces on this and suggests that any word the victim cannot pronounce properly, he be made to look up the definition for and read that definition as well. Another of the instigators decides that the best possible "education" will be for this person with an admitted speech impediment to read a Wikipedia entry about Russian history(!)."

If I were CCP, I'd perma-ban Erotica 1. No question. Not for scamming, but for bullying. I would also look past and forgive the swearing etc. from the target.

I'd also introduce a new game mechanic: criminals and those with low security space found flying in high security space (and perhaps low security space) not only risk getting their ships destroyed, they also get "locked up" in prison (i.e. temporarily banned from playing that character) for an amount of time commensurate with their criminal actions and/or criminal actions. Alternatively, or perhaps at the same time, caught criminals also lose a percentage of their assets. Yeah, this would be a LOT of fun, and is MUCH more realistic. Let's lobby for something like this - in the spirit of making this more like "real life" or a "simulation".

You got meh drunk.

Tablet keeps screwing up my post....

Anyway, the guy gave his consent to the recording at the very beginning.

He could have followed his wife's advice. I (and every married guy) knows that is an extreme suggestion, but this situation warrants it lol.

Having been in three of four bonus rooms before (although I only stuck around to the end of one), Ero asks for permission to record as the first thing.

As for the people that aren't the contestant but that join later, they are told in the same text chat as the TS details are given to them in.

Where I am this isn't an issue (you only need one party's consent to record electronic conversations here) but in other places it is and Ero is aware of that.


There is the potential for RL legal sanctions against the contestant if their threats broke local laws where they are, but that would only happen if Ero lodged a legal complaint about it, which I doubt he will. Given that Ero's RL identity is likely unknown to the contestant, the threats aren't credible (and they were clearly made in anger, not with preplanned malice). Likewise for the racial slurs (which are probably not illegal but might be in some places).

One of the things that first amazed me about EVE is the way in which anyone can do just about anything, any which way they want to. Of course, the setting lured me in, too-- space ships and pew pew pew, right? I don't happen to think that we should do anything that, broadly, detracts from the carte blanche we all have as players. This isn't grade school, after all.

In that regard, if you fall for any of the scamming tricks out there, well, you live and you learn. At least, hopefully, it's ISK and not something irreplaceable. This is the way life works, and it's kind of a testament to the game that we have the freedom to even have such liberties.

HOWEVER: Survival of the fittest (in whatever sense you like) does not mean bullying and cruelty. There is absolutely no way to explain this in a justifiable way. Full stop. You can't wind someone up til they pop, then cry foul. Your right to have fun can (perhaps rightly) come at the expense of someone else's ISK, and maybe someone else's own fun (someone does have to be on the losing side of any contest, sure..) but it can't go as far as this.

If CCP is going to not do anything, then that is tacit approval of this sort of thing. I don't happen to see how you can simultaneously claim to be a decent human being and approve of that, at all. This IS a game, of course, so we all need to stay connected to reality and not go making threats or what have you... but I think a ban and a public statement condemning this is the LEAST CCP should be doing.

Hey yall
I've played this game now nearly a year and have seen amazing things take place both good and bad. I for one am all for the cut throat nature of EVE. It's the only old school mmo that seperates the adults from the children. If CCP were to come in and start changing things like this I feel it would ruin the nature of the game and many people would stop playing.

That being said what happens in-game should stay in game. Plain and simple. And its easy to say, oh the guy was an idiot for not noticing the scam. I agree, but what if that happened to one of your family members. What if while you were afk your child decided to play with daddy's computer and when you came back that recording was the type of stuff being said to your child. As a community we are a cut throat bunch of theives that mine tears. But that ends the second CCP no longer has their stamp on it.

I belong to a group that actyively attempts to seek out and help new members without scams. Because like it or not they are the future of eve. This game will die without them and allowing this type of behavior will ruin this game for all of us. Should they change the way eve works absolutely not. They should take action against those individuals who harass players outside of game regardless of the circumstances that led to the harassement.

Don't allow this behavior to happen. contact the devs and give them your thoughts, than wait and see what happens to Erotica1.

Snitches Out

Legal definition

Cyberbullying is defined in legal glossaries as

-actions that use information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior by an individual or group, that is intended to harm another or others.
-use of communication technologies for the intention of harming another person
-use of internet service and mobile technologies such as web pages and discussion groups as well as instant messaging or SMS text messaging with the intention of harming another person.

Examples of what constitutes cyberbullying include communications that seek to intimidate, control, manipulate, put down, falsely discredit, or humiliate the recipient. The actions are deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior intended to harm another.