EVE General Discussion

There is no need for permanent bans.

There is a need for deciding if, as a community we want this level of wind-up/abuse/"torture"/chat to be condoned.

That's something that only CCP can decide.

If they set a reasonable level then we can all adhere to it and blow each other up in peace. I suspect (with no good grounding in science) that they are rather uncomfortable with this.

It's not good publicity.

If people want to get all Legal Eagle on this, if the victim of the bonus room was recorded without his consent and is living in a state that forbids it, then there could be grounds for legal action there. Recording a conversation secretly can land you in trouble in some states. Using the recording in such manner as it was used would certainly not help.

I know people will say "but it's only a game!". Sure - but will they be the same people saying that this is outside of the realm of Eve since it was not on Eve Voice?

Your just dumb. Do you think CCN Fox news ect gives a flying *** what happens in wow , rift, eve ect ect ect ect. The world just has to hear about this victim that lashes out with racial slurs and death threats. Yea good luck getting real media to publish that audio file. The profanity from the victim would paint him as a racist alone. Your a few cards shy of a full deck aren't you?

It's almost as good as ..SNiff Sniff ............wAffles

I suspect (and hope) the people at CCP know how dangerous their position has become in the last several hours. On the one hand, banning Erotica 1 & friends would be interpreted by many as an arbitrary extension of the rules that govern player conduct within the game (and they might be right). On the other, if CCP does not respond, and then some human tragedy occurs, every outside observer will point at CCP and say “you knew this was going on, and you did nothing.”

We can argue for days whether that accusation – and the accusations of complicity that would inevitably follow – would be fair, but that debate is irrelevant. Perception matters, and fair or not, EVE would be regarded as a safe haven for the toxic minority of people that most communities seek to marginalize. If CCP replies that this sort of conduct is rare, or that they cannot be held responsible for what someone does outside of the client, nobody will listen. Although it would be grossly unfair, any reason CCP could give for inaction would be perceived as abetting “cyber-bullying,” with all the consequences that entails.

That’s the perception problem. The reality underneath it is, of course, more complicated, but there is a genuine problem here that CCP will have to address. The controversy is real, and the EVE community is obviously divided. Some people think the conduct at issue demands condemnation. Some don’t. And even among those who regard the conduct as egregious, there is disagreement as to whether CCP can do anything about it. CCP is going to have to take a public stance: on (1) whether the conduct is objectionable, (2) whether the EULA and the TOS make the conduct punishable, and (3) whether – if the conduct is not punishable under existing rules – there is some other appropriate way to respond to it.

I listened to the TS recording on Sound Cloud. For the record, my position is that I don’t care that Sohkar was scammed, or made to sing. I do care that, once it became abundantly clear that Sohkar was utterly failing to cope with his situation, the other parties involved inflamed his distress for their own amusement. And I do care that one of them uploaded the exchange for the purpose of further humiliating someone they intentionally turned into an emotional wreck. I find the exercise pointless and sadistic, and worthy of CCP’s condemnation.

I do, on the other hand, appreciate the dangers of adhocracy. While I would prefer to see CCP return the subscription fees of the offenders, and refuse to accept their money in the future, a better solution might be to simply set their status to “blocked” for all players not on their contacts lists. That would go for every chat channel that currently exists, or is later created. I don’t know if that’s possible, but it’s the bare minimum response I hope to see from CCP.

I bet he forgot to guide that jet to Malaysia.

How can you win a game where the leading party makes the rules as they go? The only way the victim can get out of the game, is to lose. The victim can't win because the winning critearia are ever changing as the leading party sees fit.

One of the things which make a game, a game is a set of rules which state a winning and/or losing condition which aren't changable by the soul will of the leading party.

We've answered your question I think:

"you absolutely cannot prove that he couldnt possibly have gotten his stuff back if he had actually sung the 2 songs (or however many it was)" (Winning Condition)

Its Erotica 1s game right? He makes his own rules, obviously, thats how his game works (Clausule to rework winning condition)

The victim can not win the game and get his stuff back, even if he complies with the first condition to get his stuff back.

Check the length of the recording. That stuff went on for over an hour, with the player's in-game assets being used as leverage to continue the abuse. This was not an isolated off-hand comment.

I agreed with everything you said apart from this bit. You have to allow them space. If something is not in line with their ethics then they should HTFU and say " We don't like this" and be brave.

The community is responsive and will start to draw lines. It doesn't have to be ban or nothing.

It has to be " this is what we want to see as a company - try it once and get a slap - if we warn you and you do it again we will remove you from the game"

This is an edge case. I deplore it and could never treat someone this way - but it is the game we are playing and it will throw these up.

it's relevant in the fact that "a situation he can't escape" is a complete lie.