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Marie Trudeau
Trudeau Industrie SA
#1201 - 2014-03-25 22:58:00 UTC
Bad behavior all around, but nothing actionable.

Yes, it's cruel and sadistic, but EVE is full of sadism, and that spills over into RL. The person you are griefing in game is someone in the real world, interacting with the game in the real world, and it impacts them psychologically, emotionally and so on in the real world. It isn't recorded, generally, but it's there.

I don't condone the act, but I don't see what CCP could do here, particularly since this took place outside the game. Yes, it relates to the game but it isn't in the game itself. It's reprehensible sadism, but, again, EVE is full of sadism.

I also find the racism and threats from the victim to be as troubling, if not more troubling, than the scammer's sadism. Yes, people say things when they are at a breaking point, but it doesn't excuse the blatant racism in the least.

The best course for individual players, of course, is to trust pretty much no-one in EVE, on the one hand, and also to take the game lightly in RL, on the other. Both of those are under your own control -- to the extent that you don't personally practice them, you are creating an inviting target for the sadist community -- and that's really on you, primarily.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#1202 - 2014-03-25 22:58:20 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
i lived on the south coast for 4 years if that counts?


Well, I supposeso . Plus, you usually post good stuff on here. Ok, you can go on the list of people who are alright. Big smile

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#1203 - 2014-03-25 22:59:15 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
The 'victim' CHOOSE to spew threats and racial hatred over the internet rather than click on an X and end his involvement/"torture" in the bonus room. That choice right there is many times more reprehensible than anything Erotica1 has done in the entire time he/she has played EVE, period.


Quoted for absolute truth.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Salvos Rhoska
#1204 - 2014-03-25 22:59:27 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
[then stop pretending that erotica is the biggest monster in the story when he did very little in comparison.


Fine.

Ill stop pretending, when you stop pretending that the entire activity isnt designed as a victim selection process.

Only someone who was already stupid enough to fall for the ingame legit scam, can be coerced out of the game into the Bonus Room torture situation, on the false premise that younwill, in that out of game context , return their ingame assets if they perform the demeaning and humiliating demans you place upon them.

You then carefully keep a stoic pokerface while furiously fapping to the suffering you elicit and urging them on till eventually they crack and begin with the profanities, at which point your sadistic needs are fulfilled and you can finally orgasm whereas ou normaloy cant even get an erection.

Then you use the profanities you elicited from duress of 2hrs of psychological torture, as an excuse to call THEM the monster.

Howsnthat for pretending.
Dave Stark
#1205 - 2014-03-25 22:59:43 UTC
Xander Delacroix wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Xander Delacroix wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
It is if you are laughing and applauding at someone being attacked on the street.

If its someone who I know has spent 2hrs tormenting a victim and his wife to the point of breaking, for no other reason than to sadistically enjoy their suffering and to share their recording of it with "friends", yes, I will absolutely laugh and applaud.


Salvos, you're really not helping yourself here...

Mags, Baltec, Dave, Jenn et al: Stop the broken record already! We know that the victim used some bad words and slurs when, after two hours of torment, he finally snapped (losing his composure, temper and possible a few marbles). Does that make his use of said words excusable? No. Does it make his stream of invective understandable? Yes. Let's move on shall we?

The words the victim used, or the threats, empty or otherwise, made towards E1 were made after 2 hours of systematic psychological and emotional abuse. Yes, they were bad words. We get it. Really.


then stop pretending that erotica is the biggest monster in the story when he did very little in comparison.


"Very little in comparison"?! You seriously just said that? Did you miss the part about the two hours of systematic psychological and emotional abuse? Oh yes, of course you did.


you mean the 2 hours that the "victim" willingly participated in, prior to unleashing a barrage of abhorrent abuse?
Forum Clone 77777
Doomheim
#1206 - 2014-03-25 22:59:49 UTC
handige harrie wrote:

Except all his hours of work also dissapear with that click, while they keep up appearances that he can get it back if he continues in the masquarade. (which is obviously not the case, but at this point he is to emotionally involved to quit)


Heres another weird thing, we all know Erotica 1 is a scammer right? But there is also the possibility that he might pay out once in awhile.
Now, listening to the recording, the dude was asked to do some things to "win", he didnt do it, he was told not to get offensive, we all know how that went. NONE OF US, except for Erotica 1, knows what would have happened if this person actually did what was said.
So to all of you who said claim that he was "tortured" for nothing, you absolutely cannot prove that he couldnt possibly have gotten his stuff back if he had actually sung the 2 songs (or however many it was)
Mag's
Azn Empire
#1207 - 2014-03-25 23:00:04 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
admiral root wrote:


Bloody northerners. P


i'm not northern, it's the midlands for a reason.


That's what I said - up north. :P


i lived on the south coast for 4 years if that counts?
It just means you were a soft southern sh*te for 4 years. P

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#1208 - 2014-03-25 23:00:08 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:


was i in the bonus room linked in ripard's blog?
no.

have i been in a bonus room?
yes, but not many.

have i been in a bonus room for the full duration?
no.

have i actively participated in a bonus room and goaded contestants?
no, i don't speak on teamspeak. believe it or not, i'm very shy on voice comms. too many americans to be comfortable with my british accent.

any other questions you need answering?


Yes. What is the full duration? is it until you broke the victim to tears? is it until he quits? is it until he 'wins'? is it 2 hours every time?

And also, were you on the 'scamming' side? or you just happen to jump into a room, not saying word, just sitting there listening to people sing song and humiliate themselves?

Troll for hire. Cheap prices.

Dave Stark
#1209 - 2014-03-25 23:00:50 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
i lived on the south coast for 4 years if that counts?


Well, I supposeso . Plus, you usually post good stuff on here. Ok, you can go on the list of people who are alright. Big smile


success!
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1210 - 2014-03-25 23:01:02 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:

i dont care.


Yeah. You are probably the worst person in here.

Deeply unpleasant.

And yeah you dont care.

I dont care if you dont care.

You are a disgusting bully.


Lol. go for it ramona-the-sadist-supporter/condoner. I wonder, when your classmates were abused by bullies, what did you do? pretend it didint happen? side with the bullies?

I didint. I taught them a lesson. And what Erotica did to that poor dude is bullying. And you know what? bullies need to be stopped in their tracks. And if it takes unpleasant action, so be it.
Snupe Doggur
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1211 - 2014-03-25 23:01:12 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
And that's the THIRD real life threat of violence I've reported today, all from the people accusing Ero of cyberbullying. This one at the milder end but still far more out of line than anything Ero did.

If I wasn't busy at work today I'd probably find a dozen more.
Good point. Don't let Erotica 1's allies/alts bait you into violating the EULA, folks.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1212 - 2014-03-25 23:01:33 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
admiral root wrote:


Bloody northerners. P


i'm not northern, it's the midlands for a reason.


That's what I said - up north. :P


i lived on the south coast for 4 years if that counts?
It just means you were a soft southern sh*te for 4 years. P


You are both southern compared to me lol

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

admiral root
Red Galaxy
#1213 - 2014-03-25 23:01:40 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
i lived on the south coast for 4 years if that counts?
It just means you were a soft southern sh*te for 4 years. P


Hey, not my fault you talk funny.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Muestereate
Minions LLC
#1214 - 2014-03-25 23:02:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Muestereate
This harmless singing humiliation thing. I've only heard about it in child's playgrounds... and mafia/military films.

Just for perspective Is Erotica in his teens yet? If so this is evidence of a compulsive uncontrollable age regression. The malice and forethought plus the regression is typical of most incarcerated criminals. Under the hardened skin is a child treating others as they themselves have been treated. They take on their parents or significant relationships role, Curse or Witch role depending on gender, They are similar except for repressed sexual content or lack thereof.

In most of the sympathizers response we see the banal script of powerlessness as it has been called. In the proponents of this action, through their referrals to legality are playing out the banal script of Inequality. This script has a lot to do with competition. Unfortunately the competition is between male and female psyches. Erotica is of course the female being the manipulator. When a woman does this to a man its amusing until it get destructive. Its actually a form of penile envy that expresses itself like most jealousies as a passive aggresive angry vengeance (oral violence). As the severity of the game progresses it develops from oral to anal elements. And yes, extreme obsessions with rigid structures is an anal compulsion.

In real life this is what women do to men when they lead them on and then reject them acting outraged. It can progress to actual charges of **** or violence against the person they are victimizing. Many have seen this in action in the clubs. You know, the ones that flash you then act as if they didn't do it and that your a meat hound. The only solution is to stay away, we know that, and thats why we stay away. The undercurrent is to prove the victim is lascivious, thereby justifying that all men are bad and avoiding the pain of dealing with her daddy issues.

One last point about the anal characteristics of this female game. According to Erickson human development theory, the perpetrator was perpetrated on a bit later. Probably between 3.5 to 8 years. Erotica would do well to isolate trauma(s) during this age, abandonment, abuse, and shame projections of others and have a professional help (HER) process it.

Barring Erotica's own seeking of help, do to the poor adaptation of these women, they do not tolerate antithesis well and usually run if not supported by others of peer to continue there justification of man hatred. Without admiration the patient flees treatment and is instead best counseled with groups of similar minded peers that have shown some reversal. These people don' t pile on the shame and pain on top of subconscious wounds. CCP would do many people a service including Erotica by not condoning this play-style. Its an illness.
Kirsi Kirjasto
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
#1215 - 2014-03-25 23:02:35 UTC
Actually, the REALLY scary bit?

That Sohkar is supposedly a FRIGGEN Air Traffic Controller.
I will express myself in Chinese.

Ho Lee Fuk.

Seriously, I think CCP, having his 'real life' information - should report Sohkar to the proper authorities.

Somebody this obviously unstable and insane should NOT be directing aircraft in ANY capacity.

Erotica 1 actually did us a great service by exposing a clear and present risk to public safety.

Would YOU feel comfortable landing at a busy airport staffed by someone like Sohkar?



Mag's
Azn Empire
#1216 - 2014-03-25 23:02:54 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
i lived on the south coast for 4 years if that counts?
It just means you were a soft southern sh*te for 4 years. P


Hey, not my fault you talk funny.
I actually get stick from my wife and kids when I'm on the phone. They say I go all posh and southern. Lol

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1217 - 2014-03-25 23:03:15 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:


Lol. go for it ramona-the-sadist-supporter/condoner. I wonder, when your classmates were abused by bullies, what did you do? pretend it didint happen? side with the bullies?

I didint. I taught them a lesson. And what Erotica did to that poor dude is bullying. And you know what? bullies need to be stopped in their tracks. And if it takes unpleasant action, so be it.


I certainly didnt emulate them to teach people that fighting fire with fire is a proper way to solve problems.

And because I dont like you (a violent bully) I some how support and condone non-consensual sadism?

You are a hypocrit.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#1218 - 2014-03-25 23:03:23 UTC
Marie Trudeau wrote:
Bad behavior all around, but nothing actionable.

Y

I also find the racism and threats from the victim to be as troubling, if not more troubling, than the scammer's sadism. Yes, people say things when they are at a breaking point, but it doesn't excuse the blatant racism in the least.
.


I don't find that the most troubling thing here. What I do find troubling is that a group iof people finds it funny to incite somebody so hard that they lose it and resort to that kind of language.

Surely you must be reasonable enough to recognise when someone has been baited so hard that they lose their temper and say things that they regret.

Aaaaaaand relax.

Mag's
Azn Empire
#1219 - 2014-03-25 23:04:39 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
admiral root wrote:


That's what I said - up north. :P


i lived on the south coast for 4 years if that counts?
It just means you were a soft southern sh*te for 4 years. P


You are both southern compared to me lol
Ahh you are one of those very northern English pretenders. Twisted

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1220 - 2014-03-25 23:04:52 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Jill Chastot wrote:
This seems to come down to the fact that people are thinking Ero is doing this with malice. that observation is for everyone to make.


At the point the recording begins, Erotica1 already has the entirety of the victims assets.

The sole and only purpose of the subsequent entire 2hrs torment, is to humiliate and grief the victim.
That is malice.



You do not understand Ero's business model, which is to NEVER be caught in a provable lie. EVER.

mmm?

Does answer "i don't see your transaction because some idiot spams me with 0.01ISK and my history scrolls fast" after ISK transfer counts as "NEVER be caught in a provable lie"?

Ero is a proven liar. It is just lots of trolls and friends spam forums to defend Ero from any proofs.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"