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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1161 - 2014-03-25 22:47:14 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Its pretty clear what has to be done really.

sadists only understand pain, and they forfeit protections of society by abusing others.

In my high school, this sort of thing was deal with like this: guy would be found, cornered, and beaten to a pulp to tech him a lesson in manners. I did this a couple of times to bullies back in the day. It works.

If it has to devolve to high school level, If CCP wont step in and curb this **** like adults, I will not condemn whomever metes out street justice.

Simple as that.


Solve problems of violence with violence

I see how that works

Im sure those bully's kids are so happy you taught them that

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Mag's
Azn Empire
#1162 - 2014-03-25 22:47:32 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
british accent.

any other questions you need answering?



YEah. Whats a British accent sound like?

Is it like an English Welsh Scots or Northern Irish one?

And which part of those places does it sound most like the accent of? Blink
In the area I live in (Robin Hood land) we hear such colloquialisms as 'ayup me duck' and 'nowt wrong we that'

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Dave stark
#1163 - 2014-03-25 22:47:50 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
british accent.

any other questions you need answering?



YEah. Whats a British accent sound like?

Is it like an English Welsh Scots or Northern Irish one?

And which part of those places does it sound most like the accent of? Blink


personally, i have a brummie accent.
Winchester Steele
#1164 - 2014-03-25 22:47:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Winchester Steele
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Its pretty clear what has to be done really.

sadists only understand pain, and they forfeit protections of society by abusing others.

In my high school, this sort of thing was deal with like this: guy would be found, cornered, and beaten to a pulp to tech him a lesson in manners. I did this a couple of times to bullies back in the day. It works.

If it has to devolve to high school level, If CCP wont step in and curb this **** like adults, I will not condemn whomever metes out street justice.

Simple as that.



Oh yeah. Advocating real life violence over **** in a video game. You are a gentleman AND a scholar. Roll


YOU and those like you are the cancer killing the gaming community.

...

Kadl
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1165 - 2014-03-25 22:48:24 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Kadl wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
i'm not defending ero at all, but people saying they'd take great joy in the very thing they're demonising him for [actually, something worse than what they're demonising him for] is very hypocritical of them.


So are you willing to say anything against Erotica1's behavior in the audio?


you mean the standard behaviour of erotica that has been happening for a long time, that nobody has given a **** about until ripard get started a witch hunt on his blog?

sure i'll say something about it; it was far more acceptable than the racism and threats from the "victim".
when it comes down to it, i'll gladly take erotica's [arguably over zealous] scamming, over that guy's racism and threats any day of the week.


So you find it acceptable to actively attempt to humiliate people and cause them pain (outside of any games)?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1166 - 2014-03-25 22:49:06 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
british accent.

any other questions you need answering?



YEah. Whats a British accent sound like?

Is it like an English Welsh Scots or Northern Irish one?

And which part of those places does it sound most like the accent of? Blink
In the area I live in (Robin Hood land) we hear such colloquialisms as 'ayup me duck' and 'nowt wrong we that'


Ah! Near the Citadel of Lead!

I know it reasonably well

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1167 - 2014-03-25 22:49:13 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


At what point in the recording does the victim sing?


Are you now trying to say that they were not trying to get this person to sing?
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#1168 - 2014-03-25 22:49:24 UTC
Sephira Galamore wrote:
Malcanis, you keep asking where exactly to draw the line (at the other end).. where do you think it is?

You keep insisting that the Teamspeak parts are outside the game and keep naming ridiculus examples that are also outside the game - but have no relation to Eve. What you fail to account for is how in this case Eve is the basis of it all.

Let me try to make an analogy...
A barkeep has a customer that behaves fine in his bar. But everytime when he goes outside he keeps shouting and beeing noisy in general to the point that neighbours regulary call the police. You will do what you can to avoid that, and if you notice regular offenders you may even ban them. In fact, the police can even attribute contributory fault in noise pollution to the bar owner if he's not attempting to at least keep people quiet right in front of the club (which is why often the bouncers make sure noisemakers at least go around the next corner).

Can you see how we are at a similar situation here?
Even if E1 is harassing people on Teamspeak, she still gets them there via Eve Online.

Is CCP legally required to step in? Propably not. But ethically? I think so.

And FYI, I'd rather see this thread as a demonstration than a witch hunt. We aren't burning people, we are demanding the ruling body to step in (I hope we are, at least that's what I'm doing).
Ever since I first heard of what he is doing, I wish he was banned for it. Just last week I mentioned it to some friends when we talked about the CSM election. Now finally, with this thread, I felt a chance for my opionion to be heard better, so I am making it heard.



If I ran a bar and one of my patrons was well behaved in the bar but misbehaved outside it after drinking in it and someone complained to me I'd point out that if he is causing trouble to call the police. I will watch his behaviour when he's inside the bar andif the police want to ban him from drinking in the bar then that's fine to. They have a job to do and so do I.

If I was at CCP I would just point out that I don't condone any of the actions taken by players in the game but we would not tolerate anything classed as harrassment. If the harassment is happening outside of our control then should the police ask we will provide all the information we can but it's out of our hands.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli

Xander Delacroix
Doomheim
#1169 - 2014-03-25 22:49:33 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
It is if you are laughing and applauding at someone being attacked on the street.

If its someone who I know has spent 2hrs tormenting a victim and his wife to the point of breaking, for no other reason than to sadistically enjoy their suffering and to share their recording of it with "friends", yes, I will absolutely laugh and applaud.


Salvos, you're really not helping yourself here...

Mags, Baltec, Dave, Jenn et al: Stop the broken record already! We know that the victim used some bad words and slurs when, after two hours of torment, he finally snapped (losing his composure, temper and possible a few marbles). Does that make his use of said words excusable? No. Does it make his stream of invective understandable? Yes. Let's move on shall we?

The words the victim used, or the threats, empty or otherwise, made towards E1 were made after 2 hours of systematic psychological and emotional abuse. Yes, they were bad words. We get it. Really.
Dave stark
#1170 - 2014-03-25 22:49:57 UTC
Kadl wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Kadl wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
i'm not defending ero at all, but people saying they'd take great joy in the very thing they're demonising him for [actually, something worse than what they're demonising him for] is very hypocritical of them.


So are you willing to say anything against Erotica1's behavior in the audio?


you mean the standard behaviour of erotica that has been happening for a long time, that nobody has given a **** about until ripard get started a witch hunt on his blog?

sure i'll say something about it; it was far more acceptable than the racism and threats from the "victim".
when it comes down to it, i'll gladly take erotica's [arguably over zealous] scamming, over that guy's racism and threats any day of the week.


So you find it acceptable to actively attempt to humiliate people and cause them pain (outside of any games)?


i don't find it unacceptable, i'm petty indifferent to it when the situation is such that any humiliation and pain can be avoided with one click of a mouse at any time the "victim" chooses.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1171 - 2014-03-25 22:50:05 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
british accent.

any other questions you need answering?



YEah. Whats a British accent sound like?

Is it like an English Welsh Scots or Northern Irish one?

And which part of those places does it sound most like the accent of? Blink


personally, i have a brummie accent.


Ogod.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#1172 - 2014-03-25 22:50:55 UTC
paritybit wrote:
Just posting to say that there's a line here. It's terribly blurry, but it's there. Nobody is going to be able to clearly define it. But nobody really needs to. It makes sense to me that CCP own the game; they own all the ones and zeros that make up New Eden and story the history of every pilot to have ever flown there. If they wanted to strip the privilege of being a part of this from someone, I think they have the right.

Now I just have to figure out how to impart my opinion that the line has been crossed here and Erotica 1 and friends are on the wrong side of it. Maybe typing this is enough; it probably isn't.

EVE is amazing in the way it provides countless ways for players to punish other players -- when they don't necessarily deserve any punishment at all. But, when it comes to a way to punish players who are completely deserving but know how to protect themselves (alts that never leave a station or that leave a station only in a disposable ship with the expectation of being blown up) there is very little recourse. This one is not and can not be in the hands of the players.

Once you go from scamming a player of all in-game assets and move on to crushing his dignity you've gone too far. Somewhere between those two points is the line. Please make a stand somewhere CCP.



I disagree completely. If someone's dignity can be crushed in a game (or in comms talking about a game) then they had no business on the interent in the 1st place. The initial fault is their's (the so called victims) for choosing to play a game such as this in the 1st place.

One of the things I asked myself in 2007 when I start playing and my buddy described who a hellacious game it was is "can I live with losing everything and having to start over" The answer is yes and after 7 years of getting blown up over and over and over again I know that my answer to my question was true and my choice to play EVE online was the correct one.

Many people never do that, they just download the game in ignorance then explode when their ignorance is exploited by the Erotica1s of EVE.
Anslo
Scope Works
#1173 - 2014-03-25 22:50:55 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Its pretty clear what has to be done really.

sadists only understand pain, and they forfeit protections of society by abusing others.

In my high school, this sort of thing was deal with like this: guy would be found, cornered, and beaten to a pulp to tech him a lesson in manners. I did this a couple of times to bullies back in the day. It works.

If it has to devolve to high school level, If CCP wont step in and curb this **** like adults, I will not condemn whomever metes out street justice.

Simple as that.



Oh yeah. Advocating real life violence over **** in a video game. You are a gentleman AND a scholar. Roll


Steele, be straight with me on this; while the caller really went too far with the threats, don't you think Ero has become skilled in picking out who is most likely to go off the deep end and then push them off it by whatever means for entertainment?

A scam is one thing, but this is another. While the victim, again, went too far in his threats, you don't have a single bone in your body that makes you think that Ero's 'fun' goes a bit too far sometimes?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

admiral root
Red Galaxy
#1174 - 2014-03-25 22:51:17 UTC
Mag's wrote:
In the area I live in (Robin Hood land) we hear such colloquialisms as 'ayup me duck' and 'nowt wrong we that'


Dave Stark wrote:
personally, i have a brummie accent.


Bloody northerners. P

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

handige harrie
Vereenigde Handels Compagnie
#1175 - 2014-03-25 22:51:31 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
handige harrie wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
handige harrie wrote:
In these recordings, Erotica and Co. is the one doing the kicking. You are however still allowed to laugh.


if that's the case then is the "victim" stabbing erotica since his part in all of this is worse than ero's.
ero's part is very tame in comparison to the tirade of racial slurs and real life threats from the guy that hypothetically got kicked in the face.


Behaviours envokes reaction. Be bad (or good) to someone and you can expect a reaction which is often not thought out in the 'heat of the moment'. Although I agree he choice of words is rather awkward. But it sounds like a 'fight or flight' reaction after the realisation he got himself in a huge mess ingame as well as out of game, I don't think he gave the value of his words the same amount of thought as Erotica and Co did to their own words, when they came up with the idea on how to push people over the edge.


that's not an excuse for being racist, it just isn't. there's no excuse for that.


I never intended the post to be an excuse? just an explanation, but I guess it went right over your head :(

Baddest poster ever

Dave stark
#1176 - 2014-03-25 22:52:04 UTC
Xander Delacroix wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
It is if you are laughing and applauding at someone being attacked on the street.

If its someone who I know has spent 2hrs tormenting a victim and his wife to the point of breaking, for no other reason than to sadistically enjoy their suffering and to share their recording of it with "friends", yes, I will absolutely laugh and applaud.


Salvos, you're really not helping yourself here...

Mags, Baltec, Dave, Jenn et al: Stop the broken record already! We know that the victim used some bad words and slurs when, after two hours of torment, he finally snapped (losing his composure, temper and possible a few marbles). Does that make his use of said words excusable? No. Does it make his stream of invective understandable? Yes. Let's move on shall we?

The words the victim used, or the threats, empty or otherwise, made towards E1 were made after 2 hours of systematic psychological and emotional abuse. Yes, they were bad words. We get it. Really.


then stop pretending that erotica is the biggest monster in the story when he did very little in comparison.
Salvos Rhoska
#1177 - 2014-03-25 22:52:24 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


At what point in the recording does the victim sing?


Are you now trying to say that they were not trying to get this person to sing?


Did I say that?

*Looks at quote*

Nope.
Dave stark
#1178 - 2014-03-25 22:52:51 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Mag's wrote:
In the area I live in (Robin Hood land) we hear such colloquialisms as 'ayup me duck' and 'nowt wrong we that'


Dave Stark wrote:
personally, i have a brummie accent.


Bloody northerners. P


i'm not northern, it's the midlands for a reason.
handige harrie
Vereenigde Handels Compagnie
#1179 - 2014-03-25 22:53:32 UTC  |  Edited by: handige harrie
Dave Stark wrote:
Kadl wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Kadl wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
i'm not defending ero at all, but people saying they'd take great joy in the very thing they're demonising him for [actually, something worse than what they're demonising him for] is very hypocritical of them.


So are you willing to say anything against Erotica1's behavior in the audio?


you mean the standard behaviour of erotica that has been happening for a long time, that nobody has given a **** about until ripard get started a witch hunt on his blog?

sure i'll say something about it; it was far more acceptable than the racism and threats from the "victim".
when it comes down to it, i'll gladly take erotica's [arguably over zealous] scamming, over that guy's racism and threats any day of the week.


So you find it acceptable to actively attempt to humiliate people and cause them pain (outside of any games)?


i don't find it unacceptable, i'm petty indifferent to it when the situation is such that any humiliation and pain can be avoided with one click of a mouse at any time the "victim" chooses.


Except all his hours of work also dissapear with that click, while they keep up appearances that he can get it back if he continues in the masquarade. (which is obviously not the case, but at this point he is to emotionally involved to quit)

Baddest poster ever

Dave stark
#1180 - 2014-03-25 22:53:37 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


At what point in the recording does the victim sing?


Are you now trying to say that they were not trying to get this person to sing?


Did I say that?

*Looks at quote*

Nope.


you're either implying that they didn't get him to sing, or that you didn't listen to the recording.

otherwise, you'd know the answer to that question.