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The Troll Bridge
#1121 - 2014-03-25 22:35:14 UTC
Csill Es wrote:
CCP has an unique opportunity to distance themselves from these bottom feeders - Erotica1 and cohorts -, but only if they act fast.


Yes, just like they scrambled to distance themselves from SOMERblink during SOMERgate....right?

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#1122 - 2014-03-25 22:35:18 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:

i'm not defending ero at all,


Said the guy who used (and probably still) to sit in the "bonus room" right there with E1.

Troll for hire. Cheap prices.

Kadl
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1123 - 2014-03-25 22:35:39 UTC
Forum Clone 77777 wrote:
They defend it on the grounds that "Its Erotica 1 and we dont like him"
Yep, pretty solid defense right there.
If it had been some unknown dude making that recording, Im willing to bet most of these people would have thought it was funny.
I dont know if its because theyve been scammed themselves, theyre envious somehow.. Or something different, I mean real life celebrities also have people hating them "just because" right? So I guess that could be the case here aswell.


You are making a strawman argument. I had a slightly positive attitude towards Erotica1 coming into this situation. He was a hardcore scammer and EVE needs those people. What I didn't know is that he would take things beyond the game and actively prolong someones humiliation and pain simply for his personal amusement. Beat someone up and take everything they have in game - OK. Continue beyond the game for a sick personal amusement - reprehensible.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#1124 - 2014-03-25 22:35:47 UTC
Electric M0nk wrote:
The audio recording is horrible. I challenge anyone who finds this behavior acceptable to play the recording to your mom, or your wife, and then proudly say to that person, "I support this behavior."

CCP has provided Erotica1 with a soapbox, that soapbox needs to be removed. I leave the 'how' to CCP.


I played it to an office full of people. They just laughed. I'll send a link to my mom and get back to you on what she says... she probably won't like it and won't listen to the whole thing. Different strokes for different folks. I'll let you know what she says. "...in poor taste" is my bet.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Dave Stark
#1125 - 2014-03-25 22:35:59 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Actually you can, it's an incite to riot and public order offence.

Laughing and applauding is outlawed in your country?

Thats fked up, dude.


still less ****** up than wanting some one to get kicked in the face, dude.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1126 - 2014-03-25 22:36:34 UTC
Electric M0nk wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Electric M0nk wrote:
The audio recording is horrible. I challenge anyone who finds this behavior acceptable to play the recording to your mom, or your wife, and then proudly say to that person, "I support this behavior."

CCP has provided Erotica1 with a soapbox, that soapbox needs to be removed. I leave the 'how' to CCP.



Why women specifically?



Fair. I should have chosen more gender neutral language.


Thats cool, I figured thats what you meant but wanted to be sure

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Dave Stark
#1127 - 2014-03-25 22:37:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
arabella blood wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:

i'm not defending ero at all,


Said the guy who used (and probably still) to sit in the "bonus room" right there with E1.


still ass hurt about reading half of something i typed in the lounge, then blocking me before i finished my sentence i see.

good for you arabella.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#1128 - 2014-03-25 22:37:16 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Electric M0nk wrote:
The audio recording is horrible. I challenge anyone who finds this behavior acceptable to play the recording to your mom, or your wife, and then proudly say to that person, "I support this behavior."

CCP has provided Erotica1 with a soapbox, that soapbox needs to be removed. I leave the 'how' to CCP.

So what about the RL death threats and racism?


In my experience, the people who don't get upset at a blatant display of hatred (like that guy's rascist name calling of someone who self identified as Afro-Canadian) tend to do so because they share a certain point of view with the speaker. Just saying.
Kadl
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1129 - 2014-03-25 22:37:35 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
i'm not defending ero at all, but people saying they'd take great joy in the very thing they're demonising him for [actually, something worse than what they're demonising him for] is very hypocritical of them.


So are you willing to say anything against Erotica1's behavior in the audio?
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1130 - 2014-03-25 22:37:43 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
---.


Why do you do it?

You already have their ISK and assets.

Whats with the 2hr of out of game torment. with demeaning and humiliating tasks on the false promise they will have their ingame stuff returned to them?

It is common theory that being bad in Eve Online is not a sign of being bad in RL.

Now thanks to Ero1 this theory looks like beaten to death.

Scamming in game -> humiliating in RL. Clear link between 2 behaviors. Good luck to all gankers, bumpers and other 'scum'....

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Mag's
Azn Empire
#1131 - 2014-03-25 22:38:07 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Actually you can, it's an incite to riot and public order offence.

Laughing and applauding is outlawed in your country?

Thats fked up, dude.
At someone who is committing violence against another, yes it can be. You are condoning it and it could incite further violence. But nice attempt at side stepping your abhorrent stance.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Salvos Rhoska
#1132 - 2014-03-25 22:38:16 UTC
Jill Chastot wrote:
This seems to come down to the fact that people are thinking Ero is doing this with malice. that observation is for everyone to make.


At the point the recording begins, Erotica1 already has the entirety of the victims assets.

The sole and only purpose of the subsequent entire 2hrs torment, is to humiliate and grief the victim.
That is malice.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1133 - 2014-03-25 22:38:17 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Actually you can, it's an incite to riot and public order offence.

Laughing and applauding is outlawed in your country?

Thats fked up, dude.


It is if you are laughing and applauding at someone being attacked on the street.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1134 - 2014-03-25 22:38:17 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Csill Es wrote:
CCP has an unique opportunity to distance themselves from these bottom feeders - Erotica1 and cohorts -, but only if they act fast.


If they do anything to Erotica then they will also have to take action against this "victim" as what they said was far worse.


No.

They really don't have to do anything they don't want. They make the rules, not you.

Mr Epeen Cool


they do make the rules, people are fine with that.

when they pick and choose when they do and don't want to enforce the rules, and do it in a fashion that exempts certain people... that's going to cause upset.

rules are applied to everyone, that's the point of rules, to ensure everyone is on a level playing field.


Are we even talking about the same company? CCP applying the same rules to everybody?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Mr Epeen Cool
arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#1135 - 2014-03-25 22:38:47 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
arabella blood wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:

i'm not defending ero at all,


Said the guy who used (and probably still) to sit in the "bonus room" right there with E1.


still ass hurt about reading half of something i typed in the lounge, then blocking me before i finished my sentence i see.

good for you arabella.


So you are not part of it? were not sitting in this room from the "scamming" side?

Troll for hire. Cheap prices.

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1136 - 2014-03-25 22:39:23 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Jill Chastot wrote:
This seems to come down to the fact that people are thinking Ero is doing this with malice. that observation is for everyone to make.


At the point the recording begins, Erotica1 already has the entirety of the victims assets.

The sole and only purpose of the subsequent entire 2hrs torment, is to humiliate and grief the victim.
That is malice.


Wrong.

It has been a long standing thing to get people to sing and record them.
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#1137 - 2014-03-25 22:39:39 UTC
Malcanis, you keep asking where exactly to draw the line (at the other end).. where do you think it is?

You keep insisting that the Teamspeak parts are outside the game and keep naming ridiculus examples that are also outside the game - but have no relation to Eve. What you fail to account for is how in this case Eve is the basis of it all.

Let me try to make an analogy...
A barkeep has a customer that behaves fine in his bar. But everytime when he goes outside he keeps shouting and beeing noisy in general to the point that neighbours regulary call the police. You will do what you can to avoid that, and if you notice regular offenders you may even ban them. In fact, the police can even attribute contributory fault in noise pollution to the bar owner if he's not attempting to at least keep people quiet right in front of the club (which is why often the bouncers make sure noisemakers at least go around the next corner).

Can you see how we are at a similar situation here?
Even if E1 is harassing people on Teamspeak, she still gets them there via Eve Online.

Is CCP legally required to step in? Propably not. But ethically? I think so.

And FYI, I'd rather see this thread as a demonstration than a witch hunt. We aren't burning people, we are demanding the ruling body to step in (I hope we are, at least that's what I'm doing).
Ever since I first heard of what he is doing, I wish he was banned for it. Just last week I mentioned it to some friends when we talked about the CSM election. Now finally, with this thread, I felt a chance for my opionion to be heard better, so I am making it heard.
Forum Clone 77777
Doomheim
#1138 - 2014-03-25 22:40:02 UTC
Electric M0nk wrote:
The audio recording is horrible. I challenge anyone who finds this behavior acceptable to play the recording to your mom, or your wife, and then proudly say to that person, "I support this behavior."

CCP has provided Erotica1 with a soapbox, that soapbox needs to be removed. I leave the 'how' to CCP.


Explaining the situation to any sane person would have them saying the dude screaming is taking a certain game way too seriously.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#1139 - 2014-03-25 22:40:09 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Electric M0nk wrote:
The audio recording is horrible. I challenge anyone who finds this behavior acceptable to play the recording to your mom, or your wife, and then proudly say to that person, "I support this behavior."

CCP has provided Erotica1 with a soapbox, that soapbox needs to be removed. I leave the 'how' to CCP.

So what about the RL death threats and racism?


In my experience, the people who don't get upset at a blatant display of hatred (like that guy's rascist name calling of someone who self identified as Afro-Canadian) tend to do so because they share a certain point of view with the speaker. Just saying.
I quite agree.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Dave Stark
#1140 - 2014-03-25 22:40:12 UTC
Kadl wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
i'm not defending ero at all, but people saying they'd take great joy in the very thing they're demonising him for [actually, something worse than what they're demonising him for] is very hypocritical of them.


So are you willing to say anything against Erotica1's behavior in the audio?


you mean the standard behaviour of erotica that has been happening for a long time, that nobody has given a **** about until ripard get started a witch hunt on his blog?

sure i'll say something about it; it was far more acceptable than the racism and threats from the "victim".
when it comes down to it, i'll gladly take erotica's [arguably over zealous] scamming, over that guy's racism and threats any day of the week.