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Jill Chastot
WE FORM BL0B Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
#1081 - 2014-03-25 22:22:53 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
An event that in my country would be delt with via the police arresting them for battery/assault, and section 5 of the public order act.


I dont think even in your country people are arresting for laughing or applauding.


They might for encouraging that sort of behaviour?

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handige harrie
Vereenigde Handels Compagnie
#1082 - 2014-03-25 22:23:06 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
handige harrie wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
So.... if its not against the EULA of a video game, its ok in real life huh?

Read you, daft cow.

Notice the phrase "its not illegal".
So yes, it is ok in real life.


i'm 100% sure that kicking some one in the face, is not legal. it's assault.


He did state he would not kick, he just stated he would laugh. You are allowed to laugh, you're even encouraged to laugh irl.

Bad reading is however frowned upon, both in real life as on the internet.


so if we're all allowed to laugh at these events, why are people demonising erotica?


In these recordings, Erotica and Co. is the one doing the kicking. You are however still allowed to laugh.

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Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#1083 - 2014-03-25 22:23:10 UTC
What all of the people who defend this have failed to answer is this.

Whilst accepting that scamming, stealing and being a bit of a douche in a game is one thing.

Having done that. Why continue for an hour and a half , knowing that someone was increasingly distressed., to the point it evidently reached?

I do find it slightly disturbing that people think it is OK to push it to this extent.

Not one person has answered that question out of the usual folks that are worried about Eve's philosophy. "The game must not be diluted" is not an excuse for what went on here.

Aaaaaaand relax.

Forum Clone 77777
Doomheim
#1084 - 2014-03-25 22:23:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Forum Clone 77777
Mag's wrote:
Xander Delacroix wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Xander Delacroix wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Erotica 1 got someone to sing.

You want someone to kick them in the face in RL.


I wonder, which is worse...


Oh God, I'm about to defend Salvos Rhoska... THIS is how bad this is. Still, here goes.

Salvos did not say that he wanted someone to kick E1 in the face, just that he'd laugh and/or applaud 'if' someone did.
So you're defending him in condoning RL violence?


Not at all. I'm pretty sure all of the words I used were English and two syllables or less. I'd be happy to explain any that are beyond you.
Not at all. I just fail to see how anyone could defend his stance. He is after all, condoning violence over a singing contest.

They defend it on the grounds that "Its Erotica 1 and we dont like him"
Yep, pretty solid defense right there.
If it had been some unknown dude making that recording, Im willing to bet most of these people would have thought it was funny.
I dont know if its because theyve been scammed themselves, theyre envious somehow.. Or something different, I mean real life celebrities also have people hating them "just because" right? So I guess that could be the case here aswell.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1085 - 2014-03-25 22:23:35 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
An event that in my country would be delt with via the police arresting them for battery/assault, and section 5 of the public order act.


I dont think even in your country people are arresting for laughing or applauding.


Its the act. Nobody laughs at an assault, especially if it involves kicking to the head. You said you would laugh at something that is a serious and arrestable event.
Dave stark
#1086 - 2014-03-25 22:23:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
why are people demonising erotica?

Ride that white horse Dave. Be the hero Erotica1 needs and deserves.


i'm not defending ero at all, but people saying they'd take great joy in the very thing they're demonising him for [actually, something worse than what they're demonising him for] is very hypocritical of them.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#1087 - 2014-03-25 22:24:06 UTC
handige harrie wrote:
bully them into oblivion


:facepalm:

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1088 - 2014-03-25 22:24:09 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Xander Delacroix wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Xander Delacroix wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Erotica 1 got someone to sing.

You want someone to kick them in the face in RL.


I wonder, which is worse...


Oh God, I'm about to defend Salvos Rhoska... THIS is how bad this is. Still, here goes.

Salvos did not say that he wanted someone to kick E1 in the face, just that he'd laugh and/or applaud 'if' someone did.
So you're defending him in condoning RL violence?


Not at all. I'm pretty sure all of the words I used were English and two syllables or less. I'd be happy to explain any that are beyond you.
Not at all. I just fail to see how anyone could defend his stance. He is after all, condoning violence over a singing contest.


Singing contest?

I don't think your internet is working if what you got directed to was a singing contest because that sure isn't what I got out of it.

Mr Epeen Cool
Mag's
Azn Empire
#1089 - 2014-03-25 22:24:13 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
An event that in my country would be delt with via the police arresting them for battery/assault, and section 5 of the public order act.


I dont think even in your country people are arresting for laughing or applauding.
Actually you can, it's an incite to riot and public order offence.

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Winchester Steele
#1090 - 2014-03-25 22:25:29 UTC
handige harrie wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
So.... if its not against the EULA of a video game, its ok in real life huh?

Read you, daft cow.

Notice the phrase "its not illegal".
So yes, it is ok in real life.


i'm 100% sure that kicking some one in the face, is not legal. it's assault.


He did state he would not kick, he just stated he would laugh. You are allowed to laugh, you're even encouraged to laugh irl.

Bad reading is however frowned upon, both in real life as on the internet.



Are you people serious? It's ok to laugh at someone being KICKED IN THE FACE, but it's tar and feathers for making someone consentually sing a song or 3 on comms. You people are right ****** in the head.

If this is the moral high ground, I'm glad I reside in the gutters.

...

Dave stark
#1091 - 2014-03-25 22:25:44 UTC
handige harrie wrote:
In these recordings, Erotica and Co. is the one doing the kicking. You are however still allowed to laugh.


if that's the case then is the "victim" stabbing erotica since his part in all of this is worse than ero's.
ero's part is very tame in comparison to the tirade of racial slurs and real life threats from the guy that hypothetically got kicked in the face.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1092 - 2014-03-25 22:26:07 UTC
Jayem See wrote:
What all of the people who defend this have failed to answer is this.

Whilst accepting that scamming, stealing and being a bit of a douche in a game is one thing.

Having done that. Why continue for an hour and a half , knowing that someone was increasingly distressed., to the point it evidently reached?

I do find it slightly disturbing that people think it is OK to push it to this extent.

Not one person has answered that question out of the usual folks that are worried about Eve's philosophy. "The game must not be diluted" is not an excuse for what went on here.


Half and hour of that was the "victim" ranting and raving at them. He could have left at any time and there is a long history of getting people to sing in this game.
Csill Es
Doomheim
#1093 - 2014-03-25 22:26:34 UTC
CCP has an unique opportunity to distance themselves from these bottom feeders - Erotica1 and cohorts -, but only if they act fast.
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#1094 - 2014-03-25 22:27:41 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Jayem See wrote:
What all of the people who defend this have failed to answer is this.

Whilst accepting that scamming, stealing and being a bit of a douche in a game is one thing.

Having done that. Why continue for an hour and a half , knowing that someone was increasingly distressed., to the point it evidently reached?

I do find it slightly disturbing that people think it is OK to push it to this extent.

Not one person has answered that question out of the usual folks that are worried about Eve's philosophy. "The game must not be diluted" is not an excuse for what went on here.


Half and hour of that was the "victim" ranting and raving at them. He could have left at any time and there is a long history of getting people to sing in this game.


And we have been through that. It's usually a ransom and the person is left to reship or gets blown up.

There is a difference between that and the lengths this went to.

Aaaaaaand relax.

Forum Clone 77777
Doomheim
#1095 - 2014-03-25 22:28:17 UTC
Jayem See wrote:

Having done that. Why continue for an hour and a half , knowing that someone was increasingly distressed., to the point it evidently reached?

I do find it slightly disturbing that people think it is OK to push it to this extent.

Not one person has answered that question out of the usual folks that are worried about Eve's philosophy. "The game must not be diluted" is not an excuse for what went on here.


Well, having someone spaz out on teamspeak can be pretty funny, this is not the first of such recordings either, its absolutely nothing new, and usually stuff like this is laughed at.

A better question is, if this guy was in such stress over this teamspeak session, why didnt he just leave? I mean, if someone was annoying me on teamspeak, Id just leave, hell, you can even just mute/ignore them.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1096 - 2014-03-25 22:28:40 UTC
handige harrie wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
So.... if its not against the EULA of a video game, its ok in real life huh?

Read you, daft cow.

Notice the phrase "its not illegal".
So yes, it is ok in real life.


i'm 100% sure that kicking some one in the face, is not legal. it's assault.


He did state he would not kick, he just stated he would laugh. You are allowed to laugh, you're even encouraged to laugh irl.

Bad reading is however frowned upon, both in real life as on the internet.


TIL that laughing at the real life misfortune of others is OK and laughing at someone separated from their spacepixels is bad.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

Xander Delacroix
Doomheim
#1097 - 2014-03-25 22:28:52 UTC
Since the last two pages of this thread have drifted rather off topic. Here's a recap:

1. Erotica1 is a sad, morally reprehensible sadist who delighted in tormenting someone who clearly didn't know better. He continues to take perverse pleasure in trauma he caused then and furore he's causing now.

2. The victim of said abuse completely lost his cool and went beserk. Some people, mostly those grasping at straws to defend the erstwhile E1, are using some of that verbal diatribe to justify everything E1 did. They're misguided at best, complicit at worst.

3. CCP is being put into a "damned if they do, damned if they don't" scenario. Not good. Not good at all.

4. Salvos is a pain the posterior, and his comments regarding a hypothetical future roundkick-to-the-face scenario have not really helped except to derail the debate. However, much as it pains me to admit it, he's largely made some extremely valid points elsewhere in this thread.

I think that pretty much covers it.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1098 - 2014-03-25 22:28:56 UTC
Csill Es wrote:
CCP has an unique opportunity to distance themselves from these bottom feeders - Erotica1 and cohorts -, but only if they act fast.


If they do anything to Erotica then they will also have to take action against this "victim" as what they said was far worse.
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#1099 - 2014-03-25 22:29:08 UTC
Out of game cannot be CCP's responsibility.

I guess however, that it says something if you spend your time hacking on what must obviously be the more challenged. Why not create a RL-sect or something.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#1100 - 2014-03-25 22:29:40 UTC
Forum Clone 77777 wrote:
Jayem See wrote:

Having done that. Why continue for an hour and a half , knowing that someone was increasingly distressed., to the point it evidently reached?

I do find it slightly disturbing that people think it is OK to push it to this extent.

Not one person has answered that question out of the usual folks that are worried about Eve's philosophy. "The game must not be diluted" is not an excuse for what went on here.


Well, having someone spaz out on teamspeak can be pretty funny, this is not the first of such recordings either, its absolutely nothing new, and usually stuff like this is laughed at.

A better question is, if this guy was in such stress over this teamspeak session, why didnt he just leave? I mean, if someone was annoying me on teamspeak, Id just leave, hell, you can even just mute/ignore them.



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