EVE General Discussion

Singing is a currency these days?

Sure it doesn't mean it should. But if CCP were to intervene now. They would have to intervene each and every time for the foreseeable future. Do you think they want to be tied up in petty disputes or working on real issues. You do the math.

I am appaled at what he's doing, but I also get Malcanis' point of view, if it is the one I think it is.

Basically, you can't punish somebody who hasn't broken any rules, and doing so in spite of it would create a dangerous precedent. In that regard, CCP's hands are more or less tied unless they want to invoke their TOS' arbitrary savior clause.

What a lot of people on the pages 1-5 are apparently forgetting is the fact CCP created those rules; there is no reason they couldn't adapt them to the situation.
Failure to do so would border on criminal negligence, IMHO.

It would be really interesting at some point to hear them. CCP’s policy at the moment is clearly not to intervene (otherwise it would have done a long time ago: this is by no means new behaviour on the part of E1), but it would be interesting to know how happy you guys are with that as a modus operandi, and whether you think that a change would be feasible/desirable.

No. Neither are cigarettes in most of the world. If I offered you 100,000 isk for a pack of cigarettes it would still be a banable trade. Don't get hung up on the acronym, your literalism won't help you with CCP.

And let me point out that getting someone to sing and record it is not cyber bullying. Cyber bullying or any bullying is something that happens over months/years and is a constant bombardment of hate.

The only thing keeping him on voice comms was greed, which is apparently a stronger motivator than shame or dignity. Real victims aren't afforded the opportunity to walk away. From personal experience I can say that being on comms for 2 hours, getting wives involved, yelling, cursing, are all very much a part of Eve. Heck, there's even are even plausible (even excusable) reasons to make fun of someone's speech impediment in Eve (if taunting someone with a speech impediment is required to gain the trust of some ******* in order to pull of the perfect heist, is it okay?).

I have trouble drawing the line where any of this is "outside of Eve." The guy submitted himself to all those humiliations because he was playing Eve and hoping to get Eve money. Erotica1 and company might be taking sadistic pleasure from the whole thing, or it could be a calculated attempt to build up erotica1's own infamy, a very eve-like goal (its both). Its certainly true that if erotica had just taken the isk and forgone the humiliation (as MANY people have suggested as a morally acceptable alternative), this whole thread wouldn't have taken place, or been referenced on en24 or massively. And all the isk in the world won't buy you that publicity. You can draw a straight line from humiliating this guy directly to in-game gain.

Untangling where Eve ends and RL begins is way way harder than you seem to think it is.

CCP could just be behind the times on this. After all they are trying to find exciting new things to do with their internet spaceship game. They are not quite so interested in looking for all the ways that sadists try to cause misery and pain (otherwise they would be in a different business). My hope is that they start thinking about ways to encourage good sportsmanship within the community. We could really use some.

No, my situation is exactly how you should see it, and thats where you are wrong.
NOTHING is taken from the "victim"
You have to stop thinking in "Mine and yours" when it comes to the EVE assets.
When you "give" Player Y Item X on EVE, basically what is happening is that CCP is taking away your ability to use Item X and giving Player Y the ability to do so.
Its not yours or mine.
So when it comes to the teamspeak recording, you really have to leave out everything EVE assets related, as it has litterally no matter or value to what is happening. It has PERCIEVED VALUE AND MATTER, but it does not, its abit hard to grasp, but thats really how it is.

So when he entered that teamspeak, all they did was ask him to sing some songs and he started throwing insults and threats.
I did miss the part where Erotica 1 made fun of his speech problem? I skipped the slow part of the assets changing hands and all that and went directly to the "conflicting" bit.
Ill go ahead and believe that Erotica 1 did make fun of his speech problems, but I can hardly classify that as harrassment, if anything, its just abit low, and the guy was entirely able to leave at any time, he was in no way stuck or being held captive in the teamspeak room.

Well written Sir.