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Michele Bachmann
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#881 - 2014-03-25 20:42:03 UTC
people get led around by the balls by their own greed and then cry when they get cut off.

And somehow it's someone other than themselves who is at fault
Kadl
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#882 - 2014-03-25 20:42:35 UTC
Happy Campers wrote:
Player burnout metagame wars tend to disagree about the psychological pressure bit. And yes everyone is involved in a war of this type even if not knowingly.


The player burnout metagame sucks as a mechanic, but at least it has specific noticeable in game advantages which are gained by playing it.
Salvos Rhoska
#883 - 2014-03-25 20:42:46 UTC
Victor Andall wrote:
And were the assets relinquished to Erotica1 under duress as well?

No, they where not.

Everything that happened actually ingame, is legit and fine.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Thaylon Sen
The Boondock Saints
#884 - 2014-03-25 20:43:06 UTC
Not only is it a sad reflection on the Game, it's a sad reflection on a society that people like Erotica get their kicks in this way.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#885 - 2014-03-25 20:44:49 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Navi Annages wrote:
"Potentially" Good luck going to small claims court over 20 bucks. lawl

He has no legal recourse for return of his items. He gave those away legitimately ingame.

What happened outside of the game, however, was a result of the people holding those ingame assets using them to coerce him into a 2hr protracted event of blackmail/extortion to perform demeaning acts for return of those ingame assets.

That happened outside of the game, and all normal laws apply to that.

This.

Would you like to know more?
Kadl
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#886 - 2014-03-25 20:44:51 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
The best part of all of this is if not for all of the white knighters this event would have gone totally unnoticed. As it is a lot more people have now heard this recording.

Well done defenders of the weak.


I have seen white knighters applied to both sides of this debate now. There are white knights defending Erotica1 and there are white knights arguing that simply desiring pain and agony is not an acceptable game goal.
Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#887 - 2014-03-25 20:44:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Navi Annages
I love how all the Americans are quoting bla bla lawyer talk when they forget eve is a multinational game. Who cares? The victim got trolled hard and they responded with death threats and vulgar racial slurs. Quite literally Erotica has more legal precedent to take Sokhar to court and or file a restraining order. Cause guess what? It's all on tape.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU
Volar Kang
Kang Industrial
#888 - 2014-03-25 20:46:07 UTC
Sadly, I have to agree that no terms of the game were violated. Erotica talked the person out of the game and into another environment where the humiliation took place. I would not expect CCP to become involved. On the other hand, there is something seriously wrong with Erotica and her friends.
Pew Terror
All of it
#889 - 2014-03-25 20:46:55 UTC
Forum Clone 77777 wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

The perpetrators coerced the victim into an out of game context, by means of his (or CCPs) ingame assets.
What happened in that out of game context, is potentially illegal.


Tell me exactly why this is illegal? If I walk up to some random dude on the street and ask them to sing me some songs, is that illegal? No, and if the dude thinks Im bothering him, he can ignore me, walk away, or he can do what this guy on this recording did, and throw a tantrum, right there on the street.

Any normal person wouldnt do that, I mean, I dont think so.
And if that had been recorded, it wouldnt, atleast not where I live, have been an illegal recording, as it was recorded in a public space.
Its not quite the same, but there is really nothing wrong (other than maybe personal moral issues, or whatever else) with what Erotica 1 is doing. Not unless CCP change their rules on scamming.


Your initial situation is slightly wrong.

Imagine you just made a legal binding contract with said random person for life insurance paying a monthly of 300 dollars for the next 30 years. You were able to do this because you are rethorically good and the customer made a rash decision. No laws were broken.

Now you tell him in order for you to relieve him from the contract he needs to do a series of escalating self humiliations. You never intended of ever relieving him from said contract.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#890 - 2014-03-25 20:47:35 UTC
I don't like this. It goes way too far.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Victor Andall
#891 - 2014-03-25 20:49:04 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Victor Andall wrote:
And were the assets relinquished to Erotica1 under duress as well?

No, they where not.

Everything that happened actually ingame, is legit and fine.


Therein lies the problem.

Now while the behavior itself is at the very least mean-spirited in my opinion, the whole "CCP needs to act" point is moot. Their product was not used TO be aggressive toward someone.

It's like holding Rockstar responsible for someone getting stabbed for a copy of GTA V.

Because I'm **** at analogies.

I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?

19.08.2014 - Dinsdale gets slammed by CCP Falcon. Never forget.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#892 - 2014-03-25 20:49:17 UTC
Thaylon Sen wrote:
Not only is it a sad reflection on the Game, it's a sad reflection on a society that people like Erotica get their kicks in this way.

What's sadder is all of the people focusing only on what Erotica did, and completely ignoring the real life threats and racism of the so called "victim". Even worse are the people who are equating Eroticas actions with violent sexual assault and real world crimes.

Yes what he does can be considered distasteful, I'm on record as saying that I also find them distasteful, but they are not equivalent to real world crimes.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Feyd's Survival Pack
Winchester Steele
#893 - 2014-03-25 20:50:43 UTC
Lunkwill Khashour wrote:
Personally I don't feel comfortable supporting any entity that allows that which Erotica did to happen.

Troll all you want but I'm not sure I'll continue my subscription if there isn't a strong signal from CCP.



Aaaand there it is. The cry of the entitled. "You better do as I say or I'll unsub."

Allow me to retort.

1) Bye.

2) Nah. Why say bye? Everyone, including CCP knows your full of it.

3) ???????

...

Mag's
Azn Empire
#894 - 2014-03-25 20:51:38 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Thaylon Sen wrote:
Not only is it a sad reflection on the Game, it's a sad reflection on a society that people like Erotica get their kicks in this way.

What's sadder is all of the people focusing only on what Erotica did, and completely ignoring the real life threats and racism of the so called "victim". Even worse are the people who are equating Eroticas actions with violent sexual assault and real world crimes.

Yes what he does can be considered distasteful, I'm on record as saying that I also find them distasteful, but they are not equivalent to real world crimes.

This pretty much.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#895 - 2014-03-25 20:51:59 UTC  |  Edited by: rodyas
Navi Annages wrote:
I love how all the Americans are quoting bla bla lawyer talk when they forget eve is a multinational game. Who cares? The victim got trolled hard and they responded with death threats and vulgar racial slurs. Quite literally Erotica has more legal precedent to take Sokhar to court and or file a restraining order. Cause guess what? It's all on tape.


Very true statement, lots of Europeans complain about our US torture program, but it hasn't stopped it or solved it.

Good observation on how it is hard for countries to stop other countries.

Iceland's new bitcoin

Iceland just made themselves their own digital currency as well. All the more resources to provide a safe haven and different rule set for internet trolls.

Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#896 - 2014-03-25 20:52:52 UTC
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Just trying to follow your logic that goes from someone willingly participating with the ability to quit at ANY time to harrasement.

Again, the same as a con. Doesn't make it not a con. This is not a complicated idea to grasp friend.

Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Your follow ups indicate to me that you're real problem was with the scam all along.

Maybe you need less indicating and following, and better reading comprehension. When you start to imagine things never said, you're losing the plot.

Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Feel free to correct my misconceptions. I'll happily let any clarification you make stand for your opinion on the subject.

"I will assert nonsense and shift the burden on to you."

Ok.


Don't blame me, blame the public school system. But I did ask you to clarify and you refused. Doesn't seem very nice. I thought you were nice? I guess I was wrong 2 times today.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#897 - 2014-03-25 20:53:15 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Thaylon Sen wrote:
Not only is it a sad reflection on the Game, it's a sad reflection on a society that people like Erotica get their kicks in this way.

What's sadder is all of the people focusing only on what Erotica did, and completely ignoring the real life threats and racism of the so called "victim". Even worse are the people who are equating Eroticas actions with violent sexual assault and real world crimes.

Yes what he does can be considered distasteful, I'm on record as saying that I also find them distasteful, but they are not equivalent to real world crimes.



I agree. Erotic's groups was more or less focused and on topic for the entirety of the scam. You could even go so far as to call there demeanors as professional.

Now look at the so called 'victim'. He just goes Ape ****. But somehow all of this occurred because of the "victims" personal greed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#898 - 2014-03-25 20:54:04 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Thaylon Sen wrote:
Not only is it a sad reflection on the Game, it's a sad reflection on a society that people like Erotica get their kicks in this way.

What's sadder is all of the people focusing only on what Erotica did, and completely ignoring the real life threats and racism of the so called "victim". Even worse are the people who are equating Eroticas actions with violent sexual assault and real world crimes.

Yes, you make it all sound so melodramatic. Well done Shakespeare.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Winchester Steele
#899 - 2014-03-25 20:54:26 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Muestereate wrote:
I've developed an opinion that all the perps should be identified at hardware and geological location.


Im on a PC and my house is built on a mix of igneous rock and a flatland of temperate inland silt from a shallow loch.

Does that help?



I like you. Your posting always makes me smile.

...

Kadl
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#900 - 2014-03-25 20:55:13 UTC
Volar Kang wrote:
Sadly, I have to agree that no terms of the game were violated. Erotica talked the person out of the game and into another environment where the humiliation took place. I would not expect CCP to become involved. On the other hand, there is something seriously wrong with Erotica and her friends.


So Erotica1 offered in game items for out of game services. You sing for me and you will get all of these items back. That is RMT, which CCP dislikes with a passion.

Just because something happens outside of CCPs servers doesn't mean that they should ignore it.