EVE General Discussion

EVE is an internet spaceship game. It is not a Teamspeak game where we coerce people to do humiliating stupid things, and pressure them into an emotional frenzy. There are a number of defenders for Erotica1 here who seem to have forgotten that the EVE sandbox has boundaries based on the relevance to internet spaceships on one company's set of servers.

A good sportsman can congratulate, be friendly, and kind to his opponents. Poor winners disrespect their opponents, gloat and continuously remind the losers of their loss. It is utterly clear that Erotica1 is a terrible sportsman, who does not understand the boundaries of EVE the internet spaceship game. Why am I seeing all these complaints about sore losers, but nothing about the bad winners? Sportsmanship must be cultivated among all players.

The boundaries of EVE are all of those things which bring you advantage within the game. Scamming, ganking, and stealing of in game items are all obviously part of the EVE game. The meta game including spying obviously can also bring in game advantages. EVE has a rich and interesting meta game, but all of that should provide additional advantages in game.

Erotica1 successfully scammed Sohkar out of everything. Congratulations! Erotica1 continued to humiliate Sohkar after he had all of his stuff. Reprehensible! That was bad sportsmanship. It may have been illegal. CCP may wish to provide sanctions so as to reduce the effects of these events on their game. They may also wish to figure out policies which improve sportsmanship in the game for everyone.

The perpetrators coerced the victim into an out of game context, by means of his (or CCPs) ingame assets.
What happened in that out of game context, is potentially illegal.

I don't think CCP wants its services being used as a means for individuals to perpetrate crimes against other players. Infact much of the EULA and CCP's informal policy, including some key elements of the CSM constitution notably, explicitly forbid people using ingame assets against the people who are playing the game.

The perpetrators coerced the victim into an out of game context, by means of his (or CCPs) ingame assets.
What happened in that out of game context, is potentially illegal.

"Potentially" Good luck going to small claims court over 20 bucks. lawl

Im applauding all the people who are trying to combat the ignorance in this thread with common sense, unfortunately, most of your common sense is falling on deaf ears. The sheeple who read and take these blogs as pure fact (internetz don't lie!) will never be swayed by your logical and well thought out arguments against the absolute facts they just now found out about and therefore are experts in.

"Either you come come to this out of game context, or your ingame assets are lost to you".
This constitutes coercion, by means of duress.

Duress is represented in this case by Erotica1 holding the players ingame assets against him as ransom, as a means of blackmail/extortion to coerce the player into the out of game context.

Erotica1 already holds the players assets at this point (legitimately).
But the victim is obviously scared shitless at this point that he will not get his ingame assets back.
He is forced, by the coercion applying duress, to follow into that out of game context.

Erotica1 applies duress (by means of ransoming the players ingame assets against his out of game compliance) to force/coerce that player into an out of game context where the rest of the blackmail/extortion can occur.

Its like me holding something of yours, and saying you will only get it back if you follow me into this dark alley.

Right so next your gonna have to extradite people from the various countries that they are in to appear in a court case over some teamspeak nonsense. Yea good luck with canada sending anyone down the the states for that. Your a moron.

You also do not own any assets IRL. Your government can take them away and kill you if you try to stop them.

When brought to their attention CCP can and will inform the police of potential situations. There has been a recent case of someone woken up in the middle of the night by police due to suicide claims related to EVE.

If the action was illegal then Sohkar could inform the police. If the action was against civil law then Sohkar could contact his lawyer and seek monetary damages. I doubt that either of these things are going to happen, but they could, and the nature of the situation may lead Sohkar to win.

CCP's only options are to ban or penalize Erotica1. The EULA is broad and vague so that CCP has power in this sort of situation.

it is not a crime to agree to sing a song, and I have little doubt that the contestant was motivated by greed, not fear (not going to listen because there is only so much stupid I can take).