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Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#761 - 2014-03-25 19:34:39 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


It IS true from the following bolded sub-section:
(b) Insults, taunts or challenges another in a manner likely to provoke violent or disorderly response; or

The perpetrators (Erotica1 and company) repeatedly challenge the victim to perform demeaning acts, in the form of demands to which the victim is likely to respond in a violent or disorderly fashion rather than acquiescing to the blackmail/extortion implicit in expressing those challenges in the first place.


If this were to occur in real life at like a parking lot or something, then yes this would be considered a crime. Not in a video game for space stuff.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#762 - 2014-03-25 19:36:17 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Wow...37 pages and counting.




This would be a good spot for a TLDR of the thread so far, anyone?



This dude wrote a thing, CCP solve my problems for me if you don't I'll start a smear campaign, ~space law~, and "grrr X."

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#763 - 2014-03-25 19:36:41 UTC
38 pages and people still think this threadnaught is about the lost ISK LolRoll

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Salvos Rhoska
#764 - 2014-03-25 19:38:32 UTC
Capt Starfox wrote:
If this were to occur in real life at like a parking lot or something, then yes this would be considered a crime. Not in a video game for space stuff.


It didnt happen in the video game.

It happened outside of it, in "real life".

The "Bonus Room" incident happens outside of the game.

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Emma Muutaras
State War Academy
Caldari State
#765 - 2014-03-25 19:38:38 UTC
After listing to the rather lengthy recording i feel somewhat ashamed to be playing the same game as these people.

while i dont have any real issue with the scamming aspect here as it is considered an acceptable and viable method to play.

however this went much much further this can only be seen as cyber-bullying http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberbullying which in the UK at least is a criminal offence and i believe it is also a crime in the US and most of if not all of Europe.

while the "incident" happened outside of eve it could be argued that it isn't ccp's responsibility to take action this is somewhat true, however the fact a "potential" crime as been committed and the initial point of contact for the two parties was eve-online and only occurred because of ccp's policy where it comes to scamming as acceptable game play, i would argue that ccp needs to take some form of action.

personally i would advice the victim to make a official complaint to his/her local police.

We as the gaming community as a whole need to stand up and say that this kind of abuse is not acceptable in our game or indeed any other game.
Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#766 - 2014-03-25 19:39:18 UTC
There are no rules in Fight Club.

Why should eve be the same? Take your hard licks and move on.
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Erotica for CSM!!!

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Chianti
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#767 - 2014-03-25 19:39:27 UTC
What I find amusing is how many here can't just give their opinion and leave but need to fight with everyone else about the others opinion. It's ********. Oh and Erotica, karma will catch up someday.

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Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#768 - 2014-03-25 19:39:36 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Capt Starfox wrote:
If this were to occur in real life at like a parking lot or something, then yes this would be considered a crime. Not in a video game for space stuff.


It didnt happen in the video game.

It happened outside of it, in "real life".

The "Bonus Room" incident happens outside of the game.



That seems to be the concept some have difficulty grasping.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#769 - 2014-03-25 19:39:47 UTC
ShipSpin wrote:

Correct, which is why I was making the point that it is in fact still harassment despite what Batelle (the person I was responding to) believes and said nearly the same thing you responded to me with.


It was a good post and i appreciate you looking that up wherever you did. E1 & Co's actions definitely meet the definition you posted. But there's also a host of mitigating factors at play that would affect an actual attempt to prosecute. 1) we're talking about a petty misdemeanor. 2) no evidence of repeated, unwanted contact. 3) all alleged actions took place in private 4) the accuser made no attempt to end such unwanted harassing communication (usually relevant). 5) the accuser was consenting and not coerced (the fact that the accuser was lied to doesn't necessarily make it coercion, erotica1 never had any means of coercion nor claimed to have such means).

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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#770 - 2014-03-25 19:40:03 UTC
I cancelled one of my money-paying subscriptions in protest at CCP tolerating cyber-bullying.

I encourage others to do the same.

We can live without that 4th dictor/cyno alt. CCP cant live without our money.

Time to make a stand and clean up EVE.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#771 - 2014-03-25 19:40:41 UTC
Emma Muutaras wrote:


personally i would advice the victim to make a official complaint to his/her local police.



Which one? The caller and the host both are at fault, according to this trial by forum

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#772 - 2014-03-25 19:41:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Emma Muutaras wrote:
personally i would advice the victim to make a official complaint to his/her local police
And tell them what? Someone scammed me out of all my imaginary spaceship pixels so I threatened to gut his mother?

Yeah that's going to end well.

LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
I cancelled one of my money-paying subscriptions in protest at CCP tolerating cyber-bullying.

I encourage others to do the same.

We can live without that 4th dictor/cyno alt. CCP cant live without our money.

Time to make a stand and clean up EVE.
Good, unsub the rest of them and do us all a favour.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#773 - 2014-03-25 19:41:50 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
I cancelled one of my money-paying subscriptions in protest at CCP tolerating cyber-bullying.

I encourage others to do the same.

We can live without that 4th dictor/cyno alt. CCP cant live without our money.

Time to make a stand and clean up EVE.


I encourage all with this person's level of conviction to also not bother upkeeping their useless 4th or 5th account

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#774 - 2014-03-25 19:41:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Shinhwa
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

Correct, he is dumb enough to believe that a con artist is going to give him his stuff back, despite all of the evidence to the contrary that is available by typing Erotica 1 into Google.

If people attach such an immense emotional value to things that they don't actually own they should exercise due diligence before giving them to a stranger on the internet.


The funny thing Jonah was, he knew it was a scam. The soundcloud is just the end of the story:

http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/03/jetliner-bumping-part-1.html

The chat logs show how it all began. As a guy who knew it was a scam, but was greedy anyway. Then it ended the way a lot of things do when someone is made to look foolish.. with the fool spewing and fuming. In this case, spewing and fuming real life death threats and raceism. How is this guy in any way sympathetic here?

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#775 - 2014-03-25 19:42:09 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
I cancelled one of my money-paying subscriptions in protest at CCP tolerating cyber-bullying.

I encourage others to do the same.

We can live without that 4th dictor/cyno alt. CCP cant live without our money.

Time to make a stand and clean up EVE.


sarcasm detector is off the charts.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Dave Stark
#776 - 2014-03-25 19:42:10 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Emma Muutaras wrote:


personally i would advice the victim to make a official complaint to his/her local police.



Which one? The caller and the host both are at fault, according to this trial by forum


hi is that the police? some guy stole my internet spaceships so i threw racist slurs at them and threatened them.

pretty sure we know how that will go.
Jill Chastot
WE FORM BL0B Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
#777 - 2014-03-25 19:42:47 UTC
Meh, I think the moment that the conversation turned from the removal of his assets and to his personal dignity it crossed the line for me.

Scamming is part of the game you say? Yes, humiliation and public ridicule however are not.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#778 - 2014-03-25 19:42:58 UTC
BURN THEM, BURN THEM ALL!!!111!!!!

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#779 - 2014-03-25 19:43:36 UTC
tl;dr: [..........]

This about sums up the substance of this thread.

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#780 - 2014-03-25 19:43:46 UTC
Emma Muutaras wrote:
After listing to the rather lengthy recording i feel somewhat ashamed to be playing the same game as these people.

while i dont have any real issue with the scamming aspect here as it is considered an acceptable and viable method to play.

however this went much much further this can only be seen as cyber-bullying http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberbullying which in the UK at least is a criminal offence and i believe it is also a crime in the US and most of if not all of Europe.

while the "incident" happened outside of eve it could be argued that it isn't ccp's responsibility to take action this is somewhat true, however the fact a "potential" crime as been committed and the initial point of contact for the two parties was eve-online and only occurred because of ccp's policy where it comes to scamming as acceptable game play, i would argue that ccp needs to take some form of action.

personally i would advice the victim to make a official complaint to his/her local police.

We as the gaming community as a whole need to stand up and say that this kind of abuse is not acceptable in our game or indeed any other game.



I assume you are saying Erotica 1 should make a complaint and I agree. But Erotica 1 has said that he doesn't report the real life death threats he gets.

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