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Dave Stark
#681 - 2014-03-25 19:01:20 UTC
Jayem See wrote:


Quote:
then he should have removed himself from the situation


I agree - but you have to remember some people don't react how you and I might.

I think it was taken too far - a lot of people seem to feel the same.


a person thinks homosexuals are an abomination and shouldn't exist - a lot of people seem to feel the same.

a lot of people feeling the same doesn't make them correct, or worthy of acknowledgement.
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#682 - 2014-03-25 19:02:31 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:
Again: how much isk was scammed out of that guy?


Not really relevant to the context of the discussion.

Aaaaaaand relax.
Winchester Steele
#683 - 2014-03-25 19:03:03 UTC
Drone 16 wrote:
Batelle wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:

Righteous indignation doesn't keep the servers running.


The non-eve-playing public doesn't exactly pay subscriptions either.


Some pay subscriptions for their kids. Others are potential subscribers that might help grow the game.



If growing the game means more people like you, I think we can pass.

...

Brusanan
Sons of Seyllin
Pirate Lords of War
#684 - 2014-03-25 19:03:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Brusanan
Big Lynx wrote:
Again: how much isk was scammed out of that guy?

Only about 1.1 billion.

EDIT: Also, he wasn't scammed. He quit the bonus round and forfeited his ISK.
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#685 - 2014-03-25 19:03:31 UTC
Qalix wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
La Nariz wrote:


What law was broken, cite the specific statute and provide proof of your prosecutorial/law enforcement credentials?


Forest for the trees.

Who cares if a law was broken. Arguing that is a pointless waste of time outside a recognized court of law in the appropriate jurisdiction.

The forest, in this case, is the perception and what CCP is going to do about it before it hits the mainstream media. Games have been set back months or even years for less.

Promoting asshatery in a game sells subs. Allowing it to be carried out of the game loses them. CCP is well aware of the situation and the perception is that they don't care.

That's going to come back to bite them on the ass.

Mr Epeen Cool

Holy crap, E-Peen. I have to actually like one of your posts!

Yeah, I had to like the post too!

...
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#686 - 2014-03-25 19:03:57 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
But we must admit, if you did press charges, wouldn't it be rather awkward to explain what you were doing and why at the time you got threatened? I'd hate to be on a witness stand with that story and a jury of people who live in the "real world" is not going to see any victims at the point where all the facts are known.


IF it was me, I think the awkward part would be the fact that I wouldn't be able to give the testimony without giggling. People these days have no appreciation of the absurd, least of all judges I imagine. Pesky "contempt" laws.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Dave Stark
#687 - 2014-03-25 19:04:16 UTC
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Jayem See wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
31 pages?
damn having a job really means i miss out on all the fun.

people still mad that dumb people are dumb, and some one took advantage of it. like every day both in and out of the game?

if so, i'm not sure why this has really got to 31 pages since there's not really much of a story here other than "dumb people be dumb, and people profit from it".


And then carry the charade on for personal pleasure and ego-stroking.

I don't see how you can realistically justify the extent of the situation they put this guy through. The rest of it was purely for enjoyment. Some people find that objectionable.


most enjoyment in this game is derived from ruining some one's day. the difference is, this guy could close TS whenever he wanted.

hell, it was easier for him to remove himself from this situation than it is to safely log out of eve.


I see this excuse repeated over and over. The problem with it is that when you steal candy from a baby or trick the elderly, weak minded, or foolish to give you their rent money, you're still an asshat. Moreover, in my mind, your conduct is more reprehensible because you took advantage of people who, for what ever reason, are mentally infirm, weak and incapable of adequately defending themselves. Sure E1's victim could have gotten up and left - the fact that he stayed showed his mental infirmities, and it is playing off those infirmities that makes E1's action so obscene.


i don't remember saying erotica isn't an asshat.

which part of the "show info" tab on a pilot indicates that the pilot is mentally unstable, vulnerable, and/or in anyway incapable of functioning as a normal human being. then i'll agree that the fault lies undoubtedly with ero.

if the victim was indeed mentally unstable, vulnerable, and/or in any way capable of functioning as a normal human being then the people providing care for him have failed their duty and are the ones who are ultimately responsible for this hour and a half of "torture" (and quite frankly i think ripard is scum for trivialising torture like this)
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#688 - 2014-03-25 19:05:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Toshiro Ozuwara
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
I get the feeling you think Erotica 1 is the one who violated the EULA, not the guy who made RL death threats and racial slurs. You know, stuff that is against the EULA.

I don't care about the EULA tbh. I really don't. People break it constantly, and it rarely gets reported or acted upon. CCP acts when it is called upon to do so.

Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
I'll just say what I've been trying to get at with my Eve Voice remarks. If Erotica 1 had used Eve Voice instead of Teamspeak, Sohkar would be permabanned.

But she didn't because she would have been banned a long time ago. And the fact it didn't happen in Eve, means all of this behavior is outside the EULA. Just like the Mittani saying something offcolor at fanfest while drunk was outside the EULA as well.

Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Scamming is a part of Eve. Making people sing songs, quote poetry, or whatever is also a part of Eve. Not honoring ransoms, also a part of Eve.

Are you trying to claim there was no harassment of this guy going on for 2 hours?

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#689 - 2014-03-25 19:05:15 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Jayem See wrote:


Quote:
then he should have removed himself from the situation


I agree - but you have to remember some people don't react how you and I might.

I think it was taken too far - a lot of people seem to feel the same.


a person thinks homosexuals are an abomination and shouldn't exist - a lot of people seem to feel the same.

a lot of people feeling the same doesn't make them correct, or worthy of acknowledgement.


A lot of people didn't have an issue with slavery. Some did. Some people took notice of that. I don't really want to be drawn into real life examples as it achieves nothing. Simply to say people's opinions are worthless because you disagree with them is....shortsighted.

Aaaaaaand relax.
Big Lynx
#690 - 2014-03-25 19:05:34 UTC
Brusanan wrote:
Big Lynx wrote:
Again: how much isk was scammed out of that guy?

Only about 1.1 billion.

EDIT: Also, he wasn't scammed. He quit the bonus round and forfeited his ISK.


and what is his name in game?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#691 - 2014-03-25 19:07:08 UTC
Just as a recap. Did anyone else notice that of the 'two sides' in this discussion, only members of one side have advocated real world violence, real world out of game prosecution for something about as serious as a 1984esque prank call, and bans for someone playing in time honored (and advertised) fashion.

I just can't help but think of this video as I read this thread.Twisted
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#692 - 2014-03-25 19:07:17 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:

I'm Catholic, ...


MRW I learn that Erotica 1 is a Catholic school girl.

Just really wish I hadn't listened to the soundcloud recording.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Dave Stark
#693 - 2014-03-25 19:07:26 UTC
Jayem See wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Jayem See wrote:


Quote:
then he should have removed himself from the situation


I agree - but you have to remember some people don't react how you and I might.

I think it was taken too far - a lot of people seem to feel the same.


a person thinks homosexuals are an abomination and shouldn't exist - a lot of people seem to feel the same.

a lot of people feeling the same doesn't make them correct, or worthy of acknowledgement.


A lot of people didn't have an issue with slavery. Some did. Some people took notice of that. I don't really want to be drawn into real life examples as it achieves nothing. Simply to say people's opinions are worthless because you disagree with them is....shortsighted.



then i suggest you stay away from irrelevant anecdotes and stick to the facts of the situation.

the fact of the situation is as follows; he was one keystroke from removing himself from the situation and turning a 1.5 hour teamspeak session in to a non-event.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#694 - 2014-03-25 19:07:38 UTC
I actually found this to be a more compelling article, at a minimum a counterpoint to Ripard Tegs carebear-stroking one.



Would you like to know more?
Xander Delacroix
Doomheim
#695 - 2014-03-25 19:07:39 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Jayem See wrote:


Quote:
then he should have removed himself from the situation


I agree - but you have to remember some people don't react how you and I might.

I think it was taken too far - a lot of people seem to feel the same.


a person thinks homosexuals are an abomination and shouldn't exist - a lot of people seem to feel the same.

a lot of people feeling the same doesn't make them correct, or worthy of acknowledgement.


By the same logic, a lot of people believe in gay rights, sexual equality and racial equality; doesn't make them wrong either.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#696 - 2014-03-25 19:07:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Batelle wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
But we must admit, if you did press charges, wouldn't it be rather awkward to explain what you were doing and why at the time you got threatened? I'd hate to be on a witness stand with that story and a jury of people who live in the "real world" is not going to see any victims at the point where all the facts are known.


IF it was me, I think the awkward part would be the fact that I wouldn't be able to give the testimony without giggling. People these days have no appreciation of the absurd, least of all judges I imagine. Pesky "contempt" laws.



Big smile Once I said things in a jury pool that I had to leave town for a while over.

Kind of like this?

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Winchester Steele
#697 - 2014-03-25 19:07:57 UTC
Muestereate wrote:
I've developed an opinion that all the perps should be identified at hardware and geological location. Ban all their hardware and of course their accounts. I'd say a crime has been committed so forward the soundbites to the players local authorities and if there is anything going on in the local playgrounds or family disputes they know right where to go. Let them know what exists in their own midst. Anything less is irresponsible as a priest or doctor not stopping personal harm that they have heard about. CCP does not and cannot guarantee privacy for criminal acts.

We can't let this knowingly go on, certainly to condone it is to assist in later abuses. To even have heard this psychological dehumanization going on outside of a war theater, and even within, has made me less human.



Hey. This is the forums not 'Days of our Lives'. Why don't you tone down the melodrama a bit. It makes you look like a moron.

...

Salvos Rhoska
#698 - 2014-03-25 19:08:11 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:
Brusanan wrote:
Big Lynx wrote:
Again: how much isk was scammed out of that guy?

Only about 1.1 billion.

EDIT: Also, he wasn't scammed. He quit the bonus round and forfeited his ISK.


and what is his name in game?

The blog, completenwith article and recording is linked in the very first post.

You can find the name there.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#699 - 2014-03-25 19:08:51 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
1984esque prank call

1984 was a book about the absolute bottom of human social behavior and manipulation.

Maybe choose a different metaphor to make your particular case.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Dave Stark
#700 - 2014-03-25 19:09:18 UTC
Xander Delacroix wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Jayem See wrote:


Quote:
then he should have removed himself from the situation


I agree - but you have to remember some people don't react how you and I might.

I think it was taken too far - a lot of people seem to feel the same.


a person thinks homosexuals are an abomination and shouldn't exist - a lot of people seem to feel the same.

a lot of people feeling the same doesn't make them correct, or worthy of acknowledgement.


By the same logic, a lot of people believe in gay rights, sexual equality and racial equality; doesn't make them wrong either.


exactly it's a ****** logic and we should stick to discussing the facts of the situation.