Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You should probably run now. These boards are not kind.

I agree that there should be some restrictions on activity under a wardec in high sec, however high sec isnt supposed to be safe. In many ways it is more dangerous than null.

No one likes getting war decced by someone that knows how to make your bear elements cry.

That said, mechanic is still great and functioning well. Remember, dropping corp is an option.

War declaration costs should not go up, actually they should go down a little bit. Not enough people are being war-decced so certain carebears think that high-sec is safe from all hurt, harm, and danger.

Anyway, I yielded to temptation and looked up the Original Poster on eve-kill.net. I found that he lost a Helios and his pod (With a head full of +3's) to a war dec. Not even to the usual suspects either, Mastercard were themselves deced by Marmite.
My question is Why did this lost cause our original poster to post such tears here in the Features and Ideas Discussion Forum? I can't figure it out, It's just one frigate.

1: So, some people have decided that they want to go to war 'randomly', for 'no good reason', or otherwise for reasons you don't understand or agree with. Yes... and? It's a game, they're doing what they find to be fun, just as you are.

2: They should be different from normal hisec PvP (read: suicide ganking) because that's how the mechanic works, and that's what the fee is for. Remember, you get a warning in advance, so it shouldn't come as a surprise.

3: Not the only reason, no. But it IS a fully-PvP game, with no real 'safety'. Changing that would unduly distort the market.

4: Refer to 3. Also, for reference, I myself am pretty much perma-decced by Marmites and friends. The only things I want in hisec are in stations behind gates. If those places were safe, there'd be no reason for that war. I'm not in favor of that; I find their actions to be legitimate gameplay, and I make my plans accordingly.

5: Refer to 1. The fact that you don't like your opponents' objectives and strategy does not render them invalid.

I have posted my suggestion and I'm sure it will be reviewed just like all the others. The devs will make their decision based on their own criteria; they'll either agree with me or they won't. I'm certainly not going to get into a protracted argument about something I have no control over, especially on a forum with people I don't know. I have stated my suggestion, and the outcome is in the hands of the developers. We all have to live within the rules of the game, and we all accept it. I am free to suggest changes I feel would improve the game, but they are, in the end, my own opinion. You don't have to like them, and I'm sure many of you don't.

I appreciate those replies that were given in the spirit of imparting knowledge, even if I disagree with them. I will ignore the ones that were simply condescending, as they don't warrant my attention.

That answer makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks!

Ugh. This attitude gets so tiring after a while.

Miners and builders are important on a large scale. But a specific mining or manufacturing corp is a drop in the bucket of nearly no overall worth though. Any specific indy person or corp could all stop playing and the effect would be minimal.

And when you quit, supply drops and prices raise in proportion to your contribution to the market. And then people who were not previously mining or manufacturing then start in order to take advantage of the increasing prices. Your leaving means very very little. The ore will be mined. The items will be built, then sold. You may not be doing it, but that matters not at all to the people buying the items except perhaps a tiny tiny increase in prices.

TLDR: You are not entitled to protection from PvP players simply because you produce 0.001% of the ore/item market.

The only reason they get easy kills is because their targets let them. If their targets put forth the effort to lean how to fight in and navigate through a highsec war and all the mechanics it entails, I assure you that things would be different.

But, hey, if all their targets want to do is undock in noobships and haulers all day long in areas of high visibility, then so be it.

If they do get together and present a threat, then mission accomplished. The wardec'er docks up and they're neutralized as a threat (hint: doing this on a station undock is almost always going to end up with underwhelming results; try learning how to trap people in other places)



Implying that a PVP'er and a miner/PVE'er are mutually exclusive professions for any given character is a long-standing fallacy, as is the whole "farmers and warriors" thing. Guess what? I sometimes mission, during war, with this very character - Level 5's in a Paladin lowsec and a sentry Domi for level 4's in highsec. I get both war targets and potentially hostile neutrals sniffing my butt all the time when I do that. The difference is {A} I have some amount of confidence in my abilities (something your general Eve corp lacks), and {B} just plain experience. I've gotten away by the skin of my teeth on a few nail-biting occasions - close calls that have made me want to think twice for a few minutes about doing that crap. Missioning at war is never necessarily a bad thing. Not taking the appropriate precautions and getting caught when doing so is what turns it into a bad thing. That jive at all?

But, you see, rather than gain experience and insight in how this game and the people who play it work and think, the knee-jerk reaction for most is to want to charge into these forums and put forth half-baked ideas in an effort to change the mechanics in ways they believe will fully compensate for their own unwillingness to acquire knowledge... knowledge which leads to confidence (not hubris - there's a pretty clear distinction there.) This is what drives people like myself up the wall - people who do take the time to do risky things and succeed (or at least try to be good at tactics and predictions), only to see other people post here wanting CCP to implement Easy Mode because they themselves can't or won't bother to take responsibility and develop themselves. So, in the world of Eve, if you're going to act like a lamb, others will see you as just that and you'll be slaughtered accordingly.

Chew on that for a bit and get back to us.

0/10 - your trollfu is weak

if you aren't trolling... (hard to believe given you play this game and have this opinion)...

Then:

1) No - War Decs are part of the non-consensual PvP sector of the game and barriers to entry should not be dramatic. Significant yes but not dramatic. All corps are PvP corps please get this through your head. There is no PvE only corp because at any time PvP may be forced upon you...whether it be through war decs, suicide ganking or members traveling to low and null sec regions even if it is by mistake. When you undock you are engaged in PvP. When you manipulate markets with market alts and trade minerals and set up buy orders you are engaging in PvP. Any interactions with other players is by definition PVP. There is no instancing, no sharding or other divisions in the server between you and me. If I feel like it I will hunt your character down and suicide gank him *just because*. I don't need a reason other than that you exist. I however generally don't go out of my way to do it unless I perceive some advantage.

List of Advantages:
A: Tears of a Carebear - delicious and the hate mail that usually follows is glorious to share and post on forums/fwd in mails
B: You have stuff that I want to take
C: I want to simply make a point that you aren't safe anywhere and should adapt your play style.
D: Its Wednesday and I'm bored and I don't care if you're all meta 1 fit or not
E: I'm heroically saving EVE from you
F: I decided to role-play and hire myself out as a mercenary and take down your corporation for its involvement in a conspiracy to **insert reason here**
G: My blood sugar is low and you're in the way.
H: I like wars and find the mechanics entertaining - fight back or get allies to help you...hire mercs to come after me with your mighty PvE wallet and drive me off.

2) Shut up you know nothing. War Decs exist to get around the high sec restrictions in a systematic manner. These days you (as the war Dec'd party) have many advantages of bringing in support to help. The only difference now is that you cannot simply dodge the dec by moving to an alt corp. The (relatively) new criminal/suspect flagging system is a massive help against neutral alt reps. You can bring in friends just to deal with that if you wanted. There are mercenary corps: look into hiring them if you are being grief'd. There is no PVE only area.

Please quit the game if you don't like it...or adapt. HTFU.

I find it amusing that people get so worked up over this game. It's almost like I insulted your religion or something, you take it so seriously. This is just a game, and I have a hard time understanding why people get all pissy when someone puts forth an idea they don't like. If you're so sure that my idea is so stupid it would never happen, then just ignore it and I'm sure CCP will do the same. Then the thread will fall down the list and the issue goes away.

Continuing to get on here and ***** about my idea only keeps it at the top of the forum and gets more people to read it, some of whom might potentially agree with the idea and possibly affect change in that direction. Why would you want that if you want my idea to just go away? In case you hadn't noticed, the only reason this thread is still on page 1 is because people keep getting on to ***** about it. Otherwise, it would be on page 2 or 3 by now at minimum and would probably be already dead. I realize that most don't agree with me, and I certainly haven't been bumping the thread, as I only respond to some of the replies I feel merit one. It seems to me that you should just ignore ideas you think are stupid so that they just go away.

As far as people's suggestion that I just "adapt/figure it out" or whatever else, of course I will. Otherwise I would cancel my subscription. If I was only going to whine and **** about it and nothing else, I would have thread after thread about all the little things I don't like about the game, and would propose no solutions to my problems. I simply took a few minutes to post a suggestion that I think would benefit someone other than the people who spend their time ganking people leaving hi sec stations. If CCP doesn't want to do that, it's no skin off my back; that's why this is called the IDEAS forum. I will adapt and figure out ways to avoid the things I want to avoid and life will go on. We all play the game according to the rules the way they are, not the rules the way we wish them to be.