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Brusanan
Sons of Seyllin
Pirate Lords of War
#621 - 2014-03-25 18:37:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Brusanan
If you listen to the full recording it is pretty obvious that if there is any bullying going on there, it isn't Erotica or his agents doing it.

Throughout the entire thing Erotica 1 and his agents are polite and courteous to Sohkar. Then Sohkar decided that he should win the bonus round without even finishing it. When Erotica wouldn't let him make up his own rules for the game, he lost it and started ranting and spewing expletives all over the place. And later on he got bored of the expletives and decided to start using racial slurs instead.

For those of you blindly accepting the words of an obvious slander piece, go start the recording at 1 hour and 45 minutes to hear for yourself how much of an innocent victim Sohkar really is.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#622 - 2014-03-25 18:37:39 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
To those arguing that the assets are owned by CCP, then it falls incumbent on CCP to press charges on Erotica1 for ransoming their ingame proprietary property against an individual who has paid CCPfor use of them, by means of extortion/blackmail occuring OUTSIDE of thee game.


CCP could take such action if they judge themselves to have been harmed by such false claims, but they are in no way obligated to do so.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#623 - 2014-03-25 18:37:42 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
31 pages?
damn having a job really means i miss out on all the fun.

people still mad that dumb people are dumb, and some one took advantage of it. like every day both in and out of the game?

if so, i'm not sure why this has really got to 31 pages since there's not really much of a story here other than "dumb people be dumb, and people profit from it".


The mob demands blood

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Salvos Rhoska
#624 - 2014-03-25 18:37:59 UTC
You dont seem to understand how courts work.

Aany threats Sohkar made can be tried in separate cases. Thats fine and Erotica1s prerogative to pursue.
They do not however absolve Erotica1 of his own conduct or legal culpability.

Second of all, and as would invariably be the case for the defence if those charges where brought against Sohkar, is that he was under duress caused by Erotica1 in the first place, at the time that he made them. This is substantiated further by even his wife entreating the perpetrators to desist.

You are underestimating the severity of this situation.
This is some very serious **** that goes well beyond forum trolling.

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#625 - 2014-03-25 18:38:29 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Wesley Otsdarva wrote:
http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/03/25/heres-some-of-the-cyberbullying-that-happens-in-eve-online/

So here goes for news coverage.


Sneaky gets it.
sneaky (via the massively comments sections) wrote:

Elsewhere in a COD lobby near you....


It's not news, it's not even new, people have been abusing each other via the medium of online games and chat rooms for years. It's not unique to Eve.






Yeah except in a COD lobby you can just disconnect and find a new lobby. Not so easy when some dude has all your stuff (whether you gave it voluntarily or not) in a game where having a lot of stuff is the point of the game.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#626 - 2014-03-25 18:38:37 UTC
Anslo wrote:

You have not been advocating a middle ground.

In this situation, there is no middle ground. This is not just about scamming. Scam are a part of eve, that will not change.

This is about players standing against the vitriolic and toxic nature of certain groups in eve who strive to ensure hate and spite are promoted so they get their 'kicks.'

This is not a call for a themepark. This is a call to return civility to the game.


I hear what your saying, I even understand it to the point of almost agreeing

But what about ragaholics like the caller?

He (and he is far far from alone) should just be allowed to say what he wishes and do as he likes?

THe knife should cut both ways.

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Drone 16
Holy Horde
#627 - 2014-03-25 18:39:02 UTC
Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Did you or did you not advocate whipping up a damaging media shitstorm?

Damaging to whom? If the content is as benign as you would have us believe, then there will be no shitstorm.


Where do I support or even defend what erotica1 does

Do you understand that there's a middle ground between the lynch mob and unconditional support?



Asking for some here to recognize ration, reason and to conceptualize abject concepts objectively, can be an uphill battle against a mudslide.


It's not a lynch mob, it is public censure. Many people find what was done to that person to be morally reprehensible and want it known. Malcanis, you don't, that's fine, but don't show contempt for their feelings because you don't share their position.

You aren't above the fray because you are just "that cool", you aren't emotionally engaged because this is not a "hot button" issue to you.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#628 - 2014-03-25 18:39:18 UTC
Drone 16 wrote:


The only hoops you that are being jumped through are the ones that you are your friends are frantically skipping through to rationalize outright cruelty. Sure the victim walked into it, sure he should be fleeced, this is Eve not "Hello Kitty" but that recording goes far beyond that.

You defend it because you identify more strongly with what Erotica1 did and you support that type of behavior in the game. Just be honest and say it.



Son you don't know me so don't act like you do. i wouldn't do what Erotica did, because i don't gain enjoyment from that kind of thing. But Erotica didn't do any kind of real crime or break any EVE rules IMO. EVE is supposed to be terribly harsh and only the mentally sound and stout should be playing it.

What gets on my nerves (in and out of game) is this weak-knee'd , irresponsible "oh woe is me" victim mentality people have. Earlier in this thread i posted my casino experiences and this is about the same thing: some dumb dude got greed then got...well, GOT for it.

And then you legions of gullible enablers come out of the wood work yelling 'that's so wrong' at the guy pulling the scam rather than saying what they should...GROW UP (to the so called 'victim' who is a grown man).
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#629 - 2014-03-25 18:39:33 UTC
Anslo wrote:

This is about players standing against the vitriolic and toxic nature of certain groups in eve who strive to ensure hate and spite are promoted so they get their 'kicks.'

This is not a call for a themepark. This is a call to return civility to the game.


"Lets make it about you the capsuleer, not you the person..." -- Bonus room agent

"I will hunt you mother ******* down and gut your ******* asses." -- Sohkar.

I couldn't agree more Anslo.

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Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#630 - 2014-03-25 18:39:55 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Praise the Yeti wrote:
The people calling for Erotica 1 to be banned based on that recording........why are you not calling for Shadoo and Grath Telkin to be banned also based on the very public recordings of them (by defacto) engaging in what could be perceived to be exactly the same activity?






Oh hush you no better than that. Gankers and scammers and such are total scum. You can tell because the database numbers attached to that character say so!

My point is none the less valid.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#631 - 2014-03-25 18:40:47 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Did you or did you not advocate whipping up a damaging media shitstorm?

Damaging to whom? If the content is as benign as you would have us believe, then there will be no shitstorm.


Where do I support or even defend what erotica1 does

Do you understand that there's a middle ground between the lynch mob and unconditional support?

You have not been advocating a middle ground.

In this situation, there is no middle ground. This is not just about scamming. Scam are a part of eve, that will not change.

This is about players standing against the vitriolic and toxic nature of certain groups in eve who strive to ensure hate and spite are promoted so they get their 'kicks.'

This is not a call for a themepark. This is a call to return civility to the game.



Return to civility suggest there ever was civility in the game.

WTF game have you been playing, because it wasn't EVE.
Speedkermit Damo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#632 - 2014-03-25 18:41:08 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Speedkermit Damo wrote:

Our country is controlled by people who fall over themselves to take offence where none was meant, who have a hard on for banning activities and opinions they don't like. They're called Guardian readers, and they are the esablishment.



Actually, they are called Daily Mail readers and they are reactionary fools who voted in a mix of impotent pretend centralists and the Tories

and they control jack all because they arent Managing Directors and the CEOs of the banks


Guardian - Daily Mail. It's all the same. Two cheeks of the same sanctomonious arse.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#633 - 2014-03-25 18:41:30 UTC
Kara Vix wrote:
I would expect a CSM member to have no opinion and just moderate the forum so that it does not devolve into name calling. I wouldn't expect a blue tag opinion either as that should be discussed with legal and not published on the forum.


1) Nowhere in the CSM job description is "forum moderation" found.
2) The CSM's job is to consult with CCP on various player-affecting policies and developments. Having an opinion on the subject is very explicitly their job. When and where they deem it appropriate to share that opinion is entirely up to them.
3) Obviously the blues are going to tread lightly on the subject and generally be non-committal outside re-posting existing rules, posts, etc. When and if they have something substantive to say, they will do so once most decisions or actions have already been taken.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#634 - 2014-03-25 18:42:09 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Wesley Otsdarva wrote:
http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/03/25/heres-some-of-the-cyberbullying-that-happens-in-eve-online/

So here goes for news coverage.


Good, perhaps people will learn that EVE online is grown folks business and stay in their thempark MMOs all swaddled in cotton safe from the 'griefers'..


The sh*t that goes on in this game has nothing to do with 'grown folks', in fact it's quite the opposite. Cyber bullying has nothing to do with scamming and it has nothing at ALL to do with an 'adult' game. How you ever get to this notion is completely beyond me. In what weird world do you live where behavior like this, online or not, is considered normal?


Texas.
Drone 16
Holy Horde
#635 - 2014-03-25 18:42:13 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Anslo wrote:

You have not been advocating a middle ground.

In this situation, there is no middle ground. This is not just about scamming. Scam are a part of eve, that will not change.

This is about players standing against the vitriolic and toxic nature of certain groups in eve who strive to ensure hate and spite are promoted so they get their 'kicks.'

This is not a call for a themepark. This is a call to return civility to the game.


I hear what your saying, I even understand it to the point of almost agreeing

But what about ragaholics like the caller?

He (and he is far far from alone) should just be allowed to say what he wishes and do as he likes?

THe knife should cut both ways.


I haven't advocated banning anyone, but you may have a point there, if one is banned maybe both should be. It could be argued that 2 hours of that nonsense drove him to it, but if this thread has shown me anything it's that people can argue an issue from every vantage imaginable.

It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#636 - 2014-03-25 18:42:15 UTC
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Capt Starfox wrote:
[It's not torture.
It's not criminal activity.
Comparing real world crime/criminals to a video game screams for attention.
I would rather have him represent us, because he knows the rules of the video and the difference between IRL and virtual video games.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole

Just giving Malcanis a taste of his own medicine.

Fair enough :)

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#637 - 2014-03-25 18:42:16 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
You dont seem to understand how courts work.

Aany threats Sohkar made can be tried in separate cases. Thats fine and Erotica1s prerogative to pursue.
They do not however absolve Erotica1 of his own conduct or legal culpability.

Second of all, and as would invariably be the case for the defence if those charges where brought against Sohkar, is that he was under duress caused by Erotica1 in the first place, at the time that he made them. This is substantiated further by even his wife entreating the perpetrators to desist.

You are underestimating the severity of this situation.
This is some very serious **** that goes well beyond forum trolling.


What law was broken, cite the specific statute and provide proof of your prosecutorial/law enforcement credentials?

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Salvos Rhoska
#638 - 2014-03-25 18:42:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Batelle wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
To those arguing that the assets are owned by CCP, then it falls incumbent on CCP to press charges on Erotica1 for ransoming their ingame proprietary property against an individual who has paid CCPfor use of them, by means of extortion/blackmail occuring OUTSIDE of thee game.


CCP could take such action if they judge themselves to have been harmed by such false claims, but they are in no way obligated to do so.


Erotica1 has been blackmailing/extorting clients of CCP OUTSIDE of the game, by means of and against their (either Sohkars or CCPs, depending on how that swings) ingame property.

There is no false claim here. The recording is real, and takes place outside of the game, as does everything that occurs in that recording.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#639 - 2014-03-25 18:42:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
TigerXtrm wrote:

Yeah except in a COD lobby you can just disconnect and find a new lobby.
You can in Eve too, you can disconnect from external programs or close from any internal chat rooms that you don't wish to be in. You can even block individuals from contacting you in any game related form via the contacts interface.

Quote:
Not so easy when some dude has all your stuff (whether you gave it voluntarily or not) in a game where having a lot of stuff is the point of the game.
You're obviously not playing the same game that I am, Eve is not about the hoarding of stuff, or even the explosion of stuff, it's about succeeding at what you want to do, despite the obstacles that others throw in your path.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Long Jump.
#640 - 2014-03-25 18:43:36 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Such a long post when all you had to do was type "Star Citizen and Erotica1 will kill EVE" and be done with it.

What you see as a toxic brand identity , I see as an 'exclusive' brand identity. ie, Don't play EVE if you can't handle it.

Most people can't so they don't and more power to them.

This is but one asshat among many and Valkyrie is every bit as dangerous to "original" EVE as Star Citizen and the other games coming down the pipe.

I love how some players like to pretend that EVE is difficult. It's not. Your woefully misguided mentality is the kind of thing that kills many businesses. "My product is great! Those people are just haters! I'm not going to change anything! We didn't want those customers anyway!"