EVE General Discussion

Probably all the space lawyers in this thread tying it up.

It doesnt matter if its space stuff, pictures of you with your adultress, money, a fat pig or your childrens lives.

The crime is in the act of extortion/blackmail, not in what is being held by the perpetrator as a means to the act.

And extortion/blackmail is only one example of the many crimes the kind of OUT OF GAME activities Erotica1 has been up to fits the criteria to.
Not to mention an entirely different set of possible civil charges.

He is holding INGAME assets in order to extort/blackmail OUTSIDE of the game.

So has anyone called the police yet?

But, there not his items.

Which , unless accompanied by some kind of actual crime , isn't illegal



Banks

You are 100% right! I hereby call for Ripard Tegs immediate dismissal from the CSM and permanent banning of all accounts and assets.

This wouldn't be any publicity at all if that idiot hadn't written a self-serving white knight blog about it.

Ccp is a business after all. Can't have wild guns like ****** Teg out there giving bad publicity when they should be promoting the game.

Personally I don't feel comfortable supporting any entity that allows that which Erotica did to happen.

Troll all you want but I'm not sure I'll continue my subscription if there isn't a strong signal from CCP.

If you want to be strict with definition, then no one in the western world owns anything, since everything by virtue of tax can be appropriated by the state, at almost any time (mercy of the court).

Some governments don't even believe you own your body, and won't let you have sex with who you want, eat what you want, or smoke what you want.

So yeah, ownership is a social abstraction at best, even IRL.

Lmao.. sorry but when you post tripe like this it is very hard to take you seriously but I will bite.

Yes there are rules, but like most things in life you have unforeseen circumstances that were not thought off when they were written.

Using your argument people who help there loved ones who are suffering for a terrible terminal illness and help them end their life early should be sentenced to life in jail for premeditated murder.

Of course this does not happen because when the rules were written this circumstance was never envisioned but common sense has prevailed in most cases and those loved ones who are faced with the terrible decision and have to live the heart ache and pain of helping a loved one die do not go to jail, or arrested or prosecuted.

I am sure people could site hundreds of examples where events both small and large, that have happened but people are not subjected to the normal rules or laws because of circumstances were not even though upon when the rules or laws were written.

Did CCP ever envision a situation where somebody in game would take a run of the mill scam and turn it into something which involved the level of humiliation E1 has achieved.. I seriously doubt they ever did.

You example is bordering on the ridiculous and to even fail to acknowledge that you can have events which fall outside of the rules beggers beyond belief.

Let's get more theoretical then....


Suppose pedos were using Eve Online as a means of contacting underage people for their sick plans. Would that make it OK because it's OUTSIDE OF THE GAME ?

Since it's not about pedos, but about scamming, does that make it automatically OK even if there was nothing further to derive from those actions furthering any gains in the game?

How would the private property owner (CCP) handle this?

As I have said before, since it's not highly illegal pedo stuff, but still rather deplorable behavior, CCP should use copyright rules to deny the association of this kind of activity to the game itself. In the case of pedos as an example, it's outlandish to hold an internet medium (game, mmo, forum, etc) to the actions of people with illegal intent "using any means" to achieve it such that saying a lack of TOS/EULA is condoning it at worst or failing to address it at the least(we'd be expecting "gun free zones" to actually prevent crime in that logic). If a pedo finds some kid on Facebook the website is not often blamed because luring victims on the internet is generally considered across the board.

So why do the actions on which this thread is about get the title of being an "Eve Online Activity" without question? And can the owner of this content and property be held responsible for it or would it be pressured to "do something" about it?

Many times in the past I have warned the "ganking community" that their meta behavior around their "chosen playstyle" is not going to get them the kind of reaction they want in the long run. But it's getting harder not to believe the bringing in nerfs IS "their game". Like "look at meee! I caused CCP to change mechanics!!! I'm leet!". Then crying all over the forums and claiming it's Carebear City is part of their game.

Everywhere you look you see a kind of societal collapse taking place. We expected Mad Max - mutant punk rockers, mad bikers, guys with metal helmets and creative titles, guns and explosions.
Instead we got screwed. We got every other person a backstabber, every other person on the edge of a breakdown of sorts. Lying and deceit are considered strengths and caring is a weakness. Our cops are the mad bikers now and the real "Lord Humongous" types wear suits and get elected to offices by hordes of the weak-minded.

Now, in that kind of environment, how do you protect yourself as an organization with assets and a business when individuals use your content as a medium for activities and results not pertaining to said content?