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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#481 - 2014-03-25 17:36:34 UTC
You're desthpicable!
-Daffy Duck

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
I Riven I
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#482 - 2014-03-25 17:36:37 UTC
whos that second guy talking? hes soooo fukin annoying LMAO
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#483 - 2014-03-25 17:36:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Capt Starfox
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
words


So basically what I got from this is that you believe that because the recordings happen outside of game somehow this constitutes crime. And as such Ero1 should face criminal charges. Okay, so when did cops give a damn about space stuff?

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Malcolm from Marketing
Klaatu Technologies
#484 - 2014-03-25 17:37:45 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Oh, and please feel free to tip my bounty. Maybe if some of the people here bump me up to #1, no one will play my game...


So besides the odd edgy post, you have no serious reply to this whole thing to show all the doubters that what you did/do is perfectly acceptable?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#485 - 2014-03-25 17:38:36 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Malcolm from Marketing wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
18 pages in and I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where they think CCP's responsibility to police our out of game actions ends.





No player will participate in any out of game actions with the intent to cause emotional distress for their own enjoyment and gain.

Hows that?


So if my girlfriend is an EVE player and I bang her sister, I'm banned?


Yes banned...as in 'Banned to the Bro Hall of Fame', but only if the sister is really hot.
Drone 16
Holy Horde
#486 - 2014-03-25 17:38:38 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:

Righteous indignation doesn't keep the servers running.


The non-eve-playing public doesn't exactly pay subscriptions either.


Some pay subscriptions for their kids. Others are potential subscribers that might help grow the game.

It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#487 - 2014-03-25 17:38:48 UTC
Notorious Fellon wrote:


Injecting a politically and religiously charged topic into the discussion is not helping; it is trolling.

It serves no purpose in the discussion other than to make people angry.



Then stick to the point I made and not the illustrating metaphor if the subject is too sensitive for you to see past the literal phrasing and see why it applies.

How do you define morality?

When does an action become immoral?

What makes this action any more or less immoral than making someone sing to avoid a podding?

That is a tradition in EvE and has been since long long ago

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
#488 - 2014-03-25 17:39:31 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Before this discussion goes any further, I'd like to remind people to make sure they stick within the forum rules and not let this get out of hand.

I'm well aware that that there's opinion on both sides of the fence here that's extremely strong, as I have my own opinions on this too.

That said, keep it within the forum rules, and keep it civil.

Smile



It would be nice if CCP could state whether it is acceptable to them for someone to abuse or bully another player ingame because the other player has a speech impediment. Question Then we can go back to playing EVE.
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#489 - 2014-03-25 17:39:48 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Oh, and please feel free to tip my bounty. Maybe if some of the people here bump me up to #1, no one will play my game...

We both know that's not how marketing works friend.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Winchester Steele
#490 - 2014-03-25 17:41:41 UTC
Altrue wrote:
I can't even conceive why some people here would defend Erotika for his actions. Especially from a community that can be so willing to fight in-game then so friendly RL.

I don't event understand how people can babble about suicide laws when mittens was banned for this precise reason without any law to back this up. And everything thought that it was a legitimate move of CCP at the time.

Also lets note that Erotika didn't even answer the thread, usually thats the kind of person to answer with bravado to threads like this. Guilt sign?

I also took notice that Malkanis, the CSM member the most widely known for misbehaving and being agressive toward community members on public forums -its not against the CSM rules mind you, just against ethical rules, like here- has been answering quite actively to this thread. To the point where it becomes disturbing...

So... Clearly there is a part of the community here that misunderstood the sandbox concept. They took the in-game caracteristic and used it to justify actions done on a personal-level, out of the game.

Is the fact of torturing someone on non-eve comms against the EULA? Nope.
Is the fact of recording said actions and sharing them with the eve community? If it was for mittens, it definitely is. (remember that part of CCP's justification was because it was done on stream, thus recorded and shared).
Is it a good advertising of the game and an expected behaviour coming from an eve player? Nope.

People are banned on other MMOs because its against the EULA to talk about their game with negativity. if THIS is an acceptable ban behaviour, then again, banning Erotika surely is.



I may not agree with what you have to say, but by God, I will defend to the death your right to say it. - some old dead guy named Voltaire.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#491 - 2014-03-25 17:41:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Malcanis wrote:
So if my girlfriend is an EVE player and I bang her sister, I'm banned?
You lucky bastard, you have a girlfriend, all I have is a wife and her sister is fugly.

*by fugly I mean that her beard is much more impressive than mine... don't tell the wife I said that about her sister.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Kadl
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#492 - 2014-03-25 17:42:00 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
I see this as using a game as the means to an end. Not playing a game and taking advantage of the mechanics.

Pulling people outside of the game for their twisted amusement is the modus operandi of pedophiles and psychopaths.

CCP could wash their hands of this legally, but once something bad happens out-of-game things will get really bad for them really fast. The press is not your friend, CCP. Nip this in the bud.

Mittanigate was a worldwide sensation (in the gaming press) and what he did was nothing compared to what Erotica1 has going on. You are in for a world of hurt if you don't get a handle on this.

Mr Epeen Cool


Yes. This activity is clearly outside of the game. The scam was successful and finely done. Sohkar lost all in game items and gave up his API and IP address. Erotica 1 could have stopped at that point with a clear, effective, and fine scam.

Instead the activity was moved to an outside Teamspeak server presumably to avoid 6.A.5 of the EULA (no abusive or harmful conduct). The rest of the activity was only related to the game in that Erotica 1 demanded various services for in game items. In this case Erotica 1 seems to prefer humiliation and rage porn instead of money.

Learn the boundaries of the game. Play hard and mean in the game. Outside enjoy life with your wonderful fellow gamers.
Big Lynx
#493 - 2014-03-25 17:43:16 UTC
ok, just listened to that audio stream. I assume only grown-ups realize that this went far too far.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#494 - 2014-03-25 17:43:52 UTC
Bethan Le Troix wrote:

It would be nice if CCP could state whether it is acceptable to them for someone to abuse or bully another player ingame because the other player has a speech impediment. Question Then we can go back to playing EVE.


If miners in local can talk about my small male organ, then I guess CCP is ok with it. But you should petition it and see. Not my male organ. I already petitioned that to God and he said "LOL."

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Notorious Fellon
#495 - 2014-03-25 17:44:06 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Notorious Fellon wrote:


Injecting a politically and religiously charged topic into the discussion is not helping; it is trolling.

It serves no purpose in the discussion other than to make people angry.



Then stick to the point I made and not the illustrating metaphor if the subject is too sensitive for you to see past the literal phrasing and see why it applies.

How do you define morality?

When does an action become immoral?

What makes this action any more or less immoral than making someone sing to avoid a podding?

That is a tradition in EvE and has been since long long ago



I think you have confused me with someone else. Not everyone who disagrees with you disagrees with everything you have said. Nor are they all arguing from the same viewpoint. Nor do they all agree with everything your opposition has said.

Wake up and realize there are different people in this thread.

I could care less who was scammed out of what virtual items or ISK. That is part of EVE. Everything that happened within the game is part of EVE as far as I can tell.

Malcanis trying to inject highly charge political and religious topics into the discussion is all I responded to. It is not worth discussing.

Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#496 - 2014-03-25 17:44:16 UTC
Bethan Le Troix wrote:

It would be nice if CCP could state whether it is acceptable to them for someone to abuse or bully another player ingame because the other player has a speech impediment. Question Then we can go back to playing EVE.


I think some of you have a wildly extreme viewpoint of what consists of bullying and abuse.

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Winchester Steele
#497 - 2014-03-25 17:44:30 UTC
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Tyburn Stannis wrote:
Basic principle of Eve - you are responsible for your own stuff, and responsible for your own actions. Not your corpmates, not your CEO, not CCP, not your mother.

If you give it away, trade it, put it in a corp hanger, contract it to a total stranger, then it's on you. If you decide to take a problem out of game, onto teamspeak or forums, then it's on you. You, and only you, are the one who clicked "send" or "accept" or "join channel".

o/


Well said.


A hands off approach didn't work too well for Cain. When someone asks you "are you your brother's keeper," there is only one correct answer, "yes."





Sorry. Any appeal to Magic Sky Daddy and the make believe stories associated with him are not valid. Try again.

...

Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#498 - 2014-03-25 17:44:41 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
So if my girlfriend is an EVE player and I bang her sister, I'm banned?
You lucky bastard, you have a girlfriend, all I have is a wife and her sister is fugly.


Same here, and neither one of them puts out.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
I Riven I
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#499 - 2014-03-25 17:44:54 UTC  |  Edited by: I Riven I
Erotica 1, arent you gonna call the cops on him?

From what Ive heard he life threatened you, and said he was gonna find you and cut your throat.



He also used derogatory and racist terms towards your friend.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#500 - 2014-03-25 17:45:17 UTC
Bethan Le Troix wrote:
It would be nice if CCP could state whether it is acceptable to them for someone to abuse or bully another player ingame because the other player has a speech impediment. Question Then we can go back to playing EVE.


I can play Eve just fine without ever seeing any response from CCP regarding this matter. If you can't that must be same magic power that kept bonus room going for hours.

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