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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#421 - 2014-03-25 16:53:28 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
mr ed thehouseofed wrote:
my 23 yr old son asked me why i did'nt join a corp and i play alone , i made him read every post in this thread . he thinks most of you are freaking idiots and now he understands why i play this game alone. i'm nearly 50 and some of you are the worst gamers i've ever come across in 30 years of gaming , if it wasn't for the fact nearly everyone has mutipile accounts i doubt this game would have lasted this long .

my 2 cents worth



Thanks for the unwarranted judgement Roll. Good to see your playing an MMO with "the worst gamers" you've ever met. Your pretty sheltered for a 50 yr old hey? Head on over to LoL forums if you want to see toxic.

Let me return the favor. You seem like an irrelevant anti social moron who plays an mmo by himself and only opens his mouth when he has something ****** to say about the community. I suspect you have very few friends, and that if you were to leave this community not a single soul would miss you.

I wouldn't say any of that stuff though because I'm not a judgemental ****. Like you.


lol

What i will never ever understand is people like that guy any many other forum posters who have nothing good to say about the EVE community (and in some Cases EVE itself and even CCP) who insist on continuing to play such a horrible game with horrible people. if i didn't like EVE, CCP or the EVE community I'd put it all in my rear view and literally go back to WoW lol. Or more realistically, Star Trek Online.

Then again I have run acorss dudes whose idea of sexy time is getting beaten with a leather strap or watching some dude (unfortunately never me for some reason....lol) plow their significant other while they watch. There is NO accounting for taste.
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#422 - 2014-03-25 16:54:28 UTC
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:

Yeah, you heard that right. Ero's shtick has always been that he is the only one who does exactly what he says he does, the only one who doesn't scam, doesn't cheat his marks. That is the point of what was going on - to make the participant give up, and lose, hence making the loss of his items due to the fact he backed out (right at the last minute, of course). Regardless of the circumstances of the matter, he is able to, every time, state truthfully that the 'loser' gave up. Sure, the guy never had a chance, but if Ero walked with the items at any point, before the participant gave up of his own free will, that undermines his whole ethos and reputation.


Holy ****, I've just realised what I inadvertantly said!

If I work on the assumption that Ero's antics are in order to maintain a reputation for not "cheating" his contestants (since the losers have to voluntarily "give up"), it can be reasonably argued, that he is doing what he is doing in order to secure future profits, based on this reputation. And as with miner bumping, and other situations, it has been solidly CCP's stance that anything can be determined to be not classed as greifing, if it can be proved there is a financial incentive behind the action.

That certainly wasn't where I was going with my original post.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#423 - 2014-03-25 16:55:13 UTC
Wesley Otsdarva wrote:
Getting on an emotional rollercoaster is easy, getting off is hard. And having people pressuring you to keep going down that path makes it even harder.


Maybe its hard if your mouse-hand is broken. I, too, am often compelled by complete strangers to humiliate myself and give away all my money.

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Lady Areola Fappington
#424 - 2014-03-25 16:55:44 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

Then again I have run acorss dudes whose idea of sexy time is getting beaten with a leather strap or watching some dude (unfortunately never me for some reason....lol) plow their significant other while they watch. There is NO accounting for taste.



Hey now, you leave Saturday Night out of this!

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Pashino
Venice Academy
#425 - 2014-03-25 16:57:27 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Pashino wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
18 pages in and I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where they think CCP's responsibility to police our out of game actions ends.





Oh, I don't think they can 'police' anything out of game. No bearing on current issue presented in the thread, either.

The problem is, once you become aware of something, you're on notice. And then if something bad happens, you can end up being held legally liable. If you are aware of a risk and don't take reasonable precautions, that falls under the definition of negligence.


'Policing' implies proactively search based on criteria - not CCP's job out of game. But when a problem lands in their lap, they can (and often do) take steps. What they react to, and what steps they take is not wholly constrained by a set of laws and rules, which is as it must be to deal with unique situations. Their actions in these cases, or lack thereof, informs the playing community of where CCP stands.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#426 - 2014-03-25 16:58:04 UTC
Qalix wrote:

I don't agree with everything Ripard writes or with every solution he proposes. But he has a generally good point in this current posting theme, EVE has a toxic brand identity. That's not a good thing, no matter how you spin it.


The biggest running joke about Call of Duty is being told who had sex with my mother by a 12yr old. Seems to be doing fine.

The Eve community is, frankly, absolutely no different than every other gaming community. They are equally populated by special snowflakes that think everyone should just play and be nice to everyone, and belligerent tools who do nothing but spew hate and filth. Also there's some cool people who play and have fun and are generally funny in chat. I like those guys the best.

Eve is no different. The only difference is, when someone is a tool, you can take some revenge against them in the game. There is even a CCP promotional video touting this feature.

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#427 - 2014-03-25 16:58:05 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Then again I have run acorss dudes whose idea of sexy time is getting beaten with a leather strap or watching some dude (unfortunately never me for some reason....lol) plow their significant other while they watch. There is NO accounting for taste.


That was very strange day when I discovered that category on RT. A year later I still don't understand it but fortunately those guys are only a background for main action so I don't mind them being there.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#428 - 2014-03-25 16:58:14 UTC
Qalix wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Can you give me a reliable method of distinguishing them that doesn't boil down to "stuff that you personally dislike

Sure, I can. "Is this guy costing us subscriptions?"

For someone who usually posts intelligently, you have completely missed the point. You're stuck in the "ideals of the sandbox" mindset. This topic isn't about ideals or the sandbox, it's about brand identity. CCP is free to do whatever they like. But they're a business. There are consequences for allowing these sorts of things to continue. Right or wrong, real or unreal, sandbox or no sandbox, sooner or later one of these incidents is going to end with someone doing something REALLY crazy. That's the day EVE will become "that game where..." that Ripard is talking about. All the petty arguments about sandbox ideals won't mean a thing when the press has a field day pointing out the inevitable result of sociopathic behavior.

Bittervets had better wake up; the sci fi MMO genre is taking off and competition is heating up. The EVE sandbox is totally and utterly dependent on a critical mass of players. Every player they lose and every player they gain is critical to the ecosystem. Everything they can do to preserve the hardcore nature of the game while tempering the asshattery is a good thing. You can pretend otherwise, but EVE's day of reckoning is coming. It won't be dramatic. It will be a slow, steady bleed of players tired of the status quo, the asshattery, and the never ending defense of the indefensible. It will be a slow, steady bleed of players who realize that they can get online and have immediate space fighting fun without the torturous grinding and clicking that EVE offers.

I don't agree with everything Ripard writes or with every solution he proposes. But he has a generally good point in this current posting theme, EVE has a toxic brand identity. That's not a good thing, no matter how you spin it.


Such a long post when all you had to do was type "Star Citizen and Erotica1 will kill EVE" and be done with it.

What you see as a toxic brand identity , I see as an 'exclusive' brand identity. ie, Don't play EVE if you can't handle it.

Most people can't so they don't and more power to them.
Dlareme
Space Ants
RAZOR Alliance
#429 - 2014-03-25 16:58:19 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Tuscor wrote:
Just ban Erotica1. The community does not need poisonous twats like that - and I for one am happy for the sandbox and 'emergent gameplay' to take second seat to cleaning the community of such filth.


People talk about gays in very similar terms to the ones you have used in your post.

Come to that, so have insane monogonadal austrian dictators.



I believe the terms he used are in regard to his thoughts on a single person, not a group of people. Please don't bring other rediculous political crap into a simple forum discussion.Smile
Marcia en Welle
Doomheim
#430 - 2014-03-25 16:59:09 UTC
People need to calm down. As much as I dislike Erotica's behaviour, and the New Order in general, I actually feel sympathy for those who feel they need to inflict suffering on others.

These people have probably had the same thing done to them in real life where they are too weak to do anything about it, so they come to a game like Eve to take it out on everyone else.

If we simply shout at them, calling all manner of names which I have seen in this thread so far, and then ban their accounts, then we are almost as bad as they are in my opinion, and also we will be making the problem worse.

Also I think some people are getting a little over dramatic, this kind of thing goes on all the time so everyone is exposed, not just in EVE. just look at the you done goofed up video, everyone laughs at that, but in reality you are laughing at someones suffering. And that is just on example, there are many more. So less hypocritical words, less drama and emotion, and more rationality I would suggest is needed.
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
#431 - 2014-03-25 16:59:30 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
18 pages in and I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where they think CCP's responsibility to police our out of game actions ends.





It is obviously NOT an out of game action as an in-game loss of assets occurred via a use of an additional in-game communication program which is allowable by CCP while all parties were in-game.

I am not a 'good girl' in-game although there is reasoning behind my in-game actions. In real life I don't go to church as I am an atheist but I am intelligent enough and have the common sense to know when an action is morally wrong and hurtful to another person. Erotica and her friends crossed the line when they bullied the victim over his apparent speech problem. I haven't read the EULA but I expect it has something to say about bullying in-game. Which this was a case of. What CCP can do about this is up to them but I believe something should happen in terms of in-game assets/accounts.

Do you feel they were justified in 'taking the michael' out of the victims speech problem Malcanis Question

Do you think this portrays CCP and the player community in a good light to the outside world Question

New Eden is a cruel place. We like it like that. It should stay like that. But Erotica has pushed the envelope beyond the in-game arena. Bullying is wrong. End of story.
Doireen Kaundur
Doomheim
#432 - 2014-03-25 17:00:11 UTC
who is Erotica 1 and why should I care?

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ShipSpin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#433 - 2014-03-25 17:01:12 UTC
Capt Starfox wrote:
Guys...

First and foremost Jester Trek's report on the bonus round is bias and not completely accurate. So while you're getting all upset try to remember this and the fact this guy willingly gave all his assets away multiple times. At any point he could have left, but chose to stay. And even after everything that happened, at the very end he still considered singing MORE SONGS!

Torture? Are you serious? I wonder why Jester didn't mention waterboarding, or the breaking of fingers/limbs, or the pulling out of teeth.. etc. Oh, probably because it wouldn't fit into his nice comparison. Again, the person had the choice to stay, or continue. It was always up to him; he and he alone. No one tied him down with rope and forced him to play.

I'm not saying this person in particular didn't go through a difficult time, but comparing it to IRL torture is ********, sad and screaming for attention.



Strip Search Phone Call Scam

The guy called into a McDonald's posing as a police officer, he never once made contact with the other individuals involved. He was injustly incarcerated of his crimes! The people involved at this McDonald's location should have known better! They all consented multiple times to what Mr. Stewart was telling them to do over the phone! Any of the individuals involved could have easily left or hung up the phone but they chose to stay/continue to particpate. /S

Whether you want to believe it or not, psychological abuse alone is still a very serious issue.
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
#434 - 2014-03-25 17:02:22 UTC
I guess this just goes to show that there's a Sohkar born every minute.

(I haven't read this whole thread so sorry if someone else thought of the joke first.)

'Let's make the world safe for gullible idiots!'

Ummm, no, let's not and say we did.
Marcia en Welle
Doomheim
#435 - 2014-03-25 17:05:19 UTC
ShipSpin wrote:
Capt Starfox wrote:
Guys...

First and foremost Jester Trek's report on the bonus round is bias and not completely accurate. So while you're getting all upset try to remember this and the fact this guy willingly gave all his assets away multiple times. At any point he could have left, but chose to stay. And even after everything that happened, at the very end he still considered singing MORE SONGS!

Torture? Are you serious? I wonder why Jester didn't mention waterboarding, or the breaking of fingers/limbs, or the pulling out of teeth.. etc. Oh, probably because it wouldn't fit into his nice comparison. Again, the person had the choice to stay, or continue. It was always up to him; he and he alone. No one tied him down with rope and forced him to play.

I'm not saying this person in particular didn't go through a difficult time, but comparing it to IRL torture is ********, sad and screaming for attention.



Strip Search Phone Call Scam

The guy called into a McDonald's posing as a police officer, he never once made contact with the other individuals involved. He was injustly incarcerated of his crimes! The people involved at this McDonald's location should have known better! They all consented multiple times to what Mr. Stewart was telling them to do over the phone! Any of the individuals involved could have easily left or hung up the phone but they chose to stay/continue to particpate. /S

Whether you want to believe it or not, psychological abuse alone is still a very serious issue.


I'm afraid you are wrong. Psychological abuse is a very nasty issue, and it goes on all the time, literally everywhere in this ultra competitive world we live. But that is not the reason that man was arrested, the reason was for impersonating a police officer, which most certainly is against the law. If Erotica was impersonating CCP, then I am sure we would see her banned instantly.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#436 - 2014-03-25 17:05:28 UTC
AkJon Ferguson wrote:
I guess this just goes to show that there's a Sohkar born every minute.

(I haven't read this whole thread so sorry if someone else thought of the joke first.)

'Let's make the world safe for gullible idiots!'

Ummm, no, let's not and say we did.


I truly lol'd at that.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#437 - 2014-03-25 17:06:11 UTC
ShipSpin wrote:
Capt Starfox wrote:
Guys...

First and foremost Jester Trek's report on the bonus round is bias and not completely accurate. So while you're getting all upset try to remember this and the fact this guy willingly gave all his assets away multiple times. At any point he could have left, but chose to stay. And even after everything that happened, at the very end he still considered singing MORE SONGS!

Torture? Are you serious? I wonder why Jester didn't mention waterboarding, or the breaking of fingers/limbs, or the pulling out of teeth.. etc. Oh, probably because it wouldn't fit into his nice comparison. Again, the person had the choice to stay, or continue. It was always up to him; he and he alone. No one tied him down with rope and forced him to play.

I'm not saying this person in particular didn't go through a difficult time, but comparing it to IRL torture is ********, sad and screaming for attention.



Strip Search Phone Call Scam

The guy called into a McDonald's posing as a police officer, he never once made contact with the other individuals involved. He was injustly incarcerated of his crimes! The people involved at this McDonald's location should have known better! They all consented multiple times to what Mr. Stewart was telling them to do over the phone! Any of the individuals involved could have easily left or hung up the phone but they chose to stay/continue to particpate. /S

Whether you want to believe it or not, psychological abuse alone is still a very serious issue.
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Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#438 - 2014-03-25 17:06:49 UTC
mr ed thehouseofed wrote:
my 23 yr old son asked me why i did'nt join a corp and i play alone , i made him read every post in this thread . he thinks most of you are freaking idiots and now he understands why i play this game alone. i'm nearly 50 and some of you are the worst gamers i've ever come across in 30 years of gaming , if it wasn't for the fact nearly everyone has mutipile accounts i doubt this game would have lasted this long .

my 2 cents worth


So, why do you play if we're some of the worst gamers you've ever experienced and you clearly think that something's wrong with CCP? Could it be because you heard about a spaceship game that had no rules and you wanted to give it a try? But, then found yourself torn between actually liking the game, but not having the WoW hand holding aspect? And, for some reason you decided to stick it out and shitpost on the forums? Because that's all you were able to become in this video game?

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#439 - 2014-03-25 17:07:07 UTC
ShipSpin wrote:

Strip Search Phone Call Scam

The guy called into a McDonald's posing as a police officer, he never once made contact with the other individuals involved. He was injustly incarcerated of his crimes! The people involved at this McDonald's location should have known better! They all consented multiple times to what Mr. Stewart was telling them to do over the phone! Any of the individuals involved could have easily left or hung up the phone but they chose to stay/continue to particpate. /S

Whether you want to believe it or not, psychological abuse alone is still a very serious issue.


Representing yourself as a police officer, at least in the US is a crime. Making prank phone calls is not or shock jocks would have to fill the other 1/2 hour of the show with more porn stars. Bart Simpson says hi!

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Winchester Steele
#440 - 2014-03-25 17:07:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Winchester Steele
Xander Delacroix wrote:
On one side we have those who want Erotica1 and his cronies buried in a digital shallow grave.

On the other side, we have those wishing to hoist Erotic1 up on their shoulders as a hero to freedom.

Perhaps, just perhaps, there's a middle ground? Where we can discuss the underlying issue, rather than this single incident? We're all adults, and dealing with the issue of 'potential' cyber bullying is very much an adult issue. So how about we all get off our respective soapboxes, myself included, and start discussing, as adults, this issue and the ramifications that any potential decisions and actions taken regarding the "emergent gameplay" vs "cyber-bullying" debate?



Ok. I think cyber bullying is a bullshit term made up by soccer moms to explain their own failings to teach their children how to properly defend themselves in this dog eat dog world. I think it's utter garbage spewed by socialists and busybodies who are terrified because the internet represents something they can't control.

At it's most base it is a form of thought control from people like you who think they are on the moral highground.

Turn your ******* computer off. Delete your facebook. In this case, just DON'T GO INTO THE BONUS ROUND WITH A KNOWN SCAMMER.

Why is it that folks like you ALWAYS need the authorities (CCP) to fight your battles for you? Man the **** up son.

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