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Malcolm from Marketing
Klaatu Technologies
#381 - 2014-03-25 16:31:56 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
18 pages in and I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where they think CCP's responsibility to police our out of game actions ends.





No player will participate in any out of game actions with the intent to cause emotional distress for their own enjoyment and gain.

Hows that?
arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#382 - 2014-03-25 16:32:06 UTC  |  Edited by: arabella blood
Since most of us agree that its the victim fault in this scenario. Can we also all agree that women with mini skirts are responsible for their R*pe?

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Ameline Veil
uncooperative freight company
#383 - 2014-03-25 16:32:06 UTC
So E1's fanbase is trying to defend him against CCP by bringing up the argument that he did nothing against the EULA because he used Team Speak... and they are also trying to defend him against any (possible) legal actions because all he did was to harass somebody in a game?
Drone 16
Holy Horde
#384 - 2014-03-25 16:32:28 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Tuscor wrote:
Just ban Erotica1. The community does not need poisonous twats like that - and I for one am happy for the sandbox and 'emergent gameplay' to take second seat to cleaning the community of such filth.


People talk about gays in very similar terms to the ones you have used in your post.

Come to that, so have insane monogonadal austrian dictators.



What a ridiculous position to take. Why use your position in the community to stick up for an obvious piece of filth? This person is not creating "content" he is creating pain for his own amusement, has been for some time and you know it. Ripard was just brave enough to use his e-fame to bring some attention to this aberration. Shame on you for not having the courage to do so yourself.

There doesn't need to be a policy change on CCP's part, this is obviously wrong and it should be dealt with as a "one off". This guy went over the line. There has been a bit of "scumbag creep" going on for a while, with people trying to top the last bit of "scumbaggery" that was committed and now it needs to be reined in, simple as that.

When gay people routinely engage in cruelty for cruelty's sake then your lame argument would make sense. They don't and never will, as such your argument is without merit.

When you had to bring gays (who have nothing to do with this) and Hitler into it to try and make a point you should know better then to press "post"

It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits

Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#385 - 2014-03-25 16:32:28 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
Not very nice.
I think that the in game actions and scamming itself is pure darwinism and no problem there but RECORDING RL Voice conversation while humiliating a person and then publish it online like we've seen here is not cool at all.

I thought the whole "Eve is harsh universe" thing was meant it's IN GAME as characthers inside a virtual universe in video game not humiliating people in RL.


And who forces anybody to become a RL victim over pixel belongings? Chat or TS invite doesn't equal being chained to a wall in some creep's basement, everybody is free to leave. And to spend hours upon hours doing some bullsh!t when rest of spectators are clearly laughing at you is like... I don't know, stupid?

Again, I don't think whole "bonus room" is a good thing or even moral for that matter when taken into what we hear in that recording but - again - nobody forced anybody to do anything. It is not a RL bullying, all they know about you is you in-game name. How hard is it to just tell them to go f**k themselves? What would they do, wardec you? Pffft, big deal.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#386 - 2014-03-25 16:32:50 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
18 pages in and I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where they think CCP's responsibility to police our out of game actions ends.






Your completely right, CCP should take no action for anything that happens out of game.

So tell everybody why CCP inform the police if somebody says they are going to commit suicide, after all it is not in the EULA or TOS and it is an action out of game which is completely out of their control.

Would it be perhaps because morally and ethically it is the right thing to do?


Thanks. But.... That's where the line starts and I haven't heard anyone complaining about that, much like I haven't heard anyone complaining that Nelson Mandela was allowed a defence lawyer.

But where does it end?

At what point does CCP stop having the right to sanction us for out of game interactions. If I buy you a beer at fanfest, and it turns out to be one beer too many and you faceplant outside Nonni's, do I get a temp ban for that? No?

OK, what's the line then.


Again not everything is black and white, you have to take each occurrence / situation / event on its own merits.




Which sounds good but in actuality is a slippery slope against the rule of law towards the arbitrary rule of men.

IRL I have to play by a certain definite set of rules (the United States Constitution). Sure, cop shows make "bending the rules" look all cool, but the reality is nothing like that at all. And I think reality should apply to almost all situations, like this.

In other words, if CCP doesn't have a specific rule against it, they should not act against it. They are and should be allowed to outlaw such behavior in the future after they add it to the TOS and EULA. But making it up as they go along (as i feel they did with Mittani) is imo wrong, even if it is just good business.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#387 - 2014-03-25 16:33:02 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

Erotica1, fighter for freedom and against Tyranny. Who in hell would have thought that LOL.


As I said before, it's not when the popular handsome hero is on trial that our dedication to justice is tested. It's when the unpopular, ugly, awful unpleasant defendant needs a fair hearing.

That's when we really see who cares about doing what's right.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#388 - 2014-03-25 16:35:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Ameline Veil wrote:
So E1's fanbase is trying to defend him against CCP by bringing up the argument that he did nothing against the EULA because he used Team Speak... and they are also trying to defend him against any (possible) legal actions because all he did was to harass somebody in a game?


You misunderstand. I can't speak for others, but for myself I'm not trying to protect Erotica1 from CCP, I'm saying that Adults should be responsible for and to themselves and if they can't be, the choice to play EVE online (or download teamspeak) is a bad one.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#389 - 2014-03-25 16:35:57 UTC
Drone 16 wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Tuscor wrote:
Just ban Erotica1. The community does not need poisonous twats like that - and I for one am happy for the sandbox and 'emergent gameplay' to take second seat to cleaning the community of such filth.


People talk about gays in very similar terms to the ones you have used in your post.

Come to that, so have insane monogonadal austrian dictators.



What a ridiculous position to take. Why use your position in the community to stick up for an obvious piece of filth?


Plenty of people are happy to call homosexuals "obvious piece(s) of filth".

If CCP set a precedent that they'll ban someone who has broken no game rule or national law, but merely because some people think he's an "obvious piece of filth" then how do they deal with requests to ban gays? Interracial relationships? Ukranians? People who criticise the Scientologists?

"Er yucky" simply isn't a good enough reason.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Lady Areola Fappington
#390 - 2014-03-25 16:36:46 UTC
Malcolm from Marketing wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
18 pages in and I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where they think CCP's responsibility to police our out of game actions ends.





No player will participate in any out of game actions with the intent to cause emotional distress for their own enjoyment and gain.

Hows that?


So wait, if I post on a 40K forum that Space Marines are a BS army, and someone feels emotionally distressed, I get EVE banned?

Hell, part of my job involves causing "emotional distress for my own gain". Kids get upset as all get out when the needle comes out, and I am getting paid for it...

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide

Faenir Antollare
For Ever And Ever
#391 - 2014-03-25 16:37:28 UTC
This whole affair is very poor publicity for both CCP and Eve and as such I personally believe that CCP should do more to discourage such behavior.

RiP BooBoo 26/7/1971 - 23/7/2014 My Lady My Love My Life My Wife

Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#392 - 2014-03-25 16:37:41 UTC
Malcanis wrote:


If CCP set a precedent that they'll ban someone who has broken no game rule or national law, but merely because some people think he's an "obvious piece of filth" then how do they deal with requests to ban gays? Interracial relationships? Ukranians? People who criticise the Scientologists?

"Er yucky" simply isn't a good enough reason.


Or Canadians!

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#393 - 2014-03-25 16:38:36 UTC
Malcolm from Marketing wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
18 pages in and I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where they think CCP's responsibility to police our out of game actions ends.





No player will participate in any out of game actions with the intent to cause emotional distress for their own enjoyment and gain.

Hows that?


So, if there is someone I don't like at work - and I bring in a pie for my coworkers, of which is a flavor that he doesn't enjoy, and CCP gets wind of it - I should be banned? ...Oh it's for another EvE player? What if I'm married to an EvE player... you think there is ever a married couple that hasn't toyed emotionally with eachother playfully that would violate this rule?
Winchester Steele
#394 - 2014-03-25 16:38:42 UTC
Xander Delacroix wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Xander Delacroix wrote:


Missing. The. Point. Entirely.


You are, actually.

The point he's making is that the slippery slope of arbitrary bannings for something "distasteful" is FAR worse than the supposed slippery slope of "cyber bullying" that Ripard Teg is trying to make the case for.



What you call distasteful, I call morally reprehensible; but "tomahto-tomayto". Nevertheless, my point, if anyone bothered to read it, is that bad press leads to declining business leading to CCP losing money leading to Eve eventually going the way of so many other MMO's = no sandbox for Erotica1 and his ilk to indulge their "appetites" (oh and the rest of us losing out along the way too).


Morals are relative. I don't find Erotica1 morally reprehensible. I find mining to be morally reprehenisible though.

CCP ban all miners. Think about your cash flow! Think about the press reporting how boring and mindless mining is. Noone will want to play Eve. This is a business after all. Ban all players who own a hulk now or I will cancel my sub!!!1!!1

...

Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#395 - 2014-03-25 16:39:37 UTC
You ganked me, no sex for you tonight!

*BANNED*

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Anslo
Scope Works
#396 - 2014-03-25 16:39:40 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

Erotica1, fighter for freedom and against Tyranny. Who in hell would have thought that LOL.


As I said before, it's not when the popular handsome hero is on trial that our dedication to justice is tested. It's when the unpopular, ugly, awful unpleasant defendant needs a fair hearing.

That's when we really see who cares about doing what's right.

It should speak volumes about the community's state when a CSM candidate is defending these kind of actions.

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#397 - 2014-03-25 16:39:51 UTC
arabella blood wrote:
I just hope this thing get out of hand. That this thing hit major gaming sites etc, and create enough talk to actually force some mind change in CCP behaviour towards it.

If that won't work, i sure hope Erotica and his friends falls on the wrong victim. The 1 that will actually finds them IRL.
Isnt that RISK VS ISK enough?


Eve is real, remember?
Would knocking on someone's door not just be a higher form of meta-gaming, say, like DDOSing someone's TS server, which CCP does nothing about (not that they could).
Lady Areola Fappington
#398 - 2014-03-25 16:40:43 UTC
Malcanis wrote:

Plenty of people are happy to call homosexuals "obvious piece(s) of filth".

If CCP set a precedent that they'll ban someone who has broken no game rule or national law, but merely because some people think he's an "obvious piece of filth" then how do they deal with requests to ban gays? Interracial relationships? Ukranians? People who criticise the Scientologists?

"Er yucky" simply isn't a good enough reason.



Gotta be careful about those national laws too, Malc. The way some folks talk, CCP is responsible for knowing and adhering to every nation's laws out there.

I wonder if that applies to nations who have rules regulating women's behaviour in public, or requirements to hold a certain religion. In some nations, it's illegal to express an opinion against the government.

Is CCP on the hook for holding up those laws too, or only the "good" ones?

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#399 - 2014-03-25 16:41:10 UTC
Jake Rivers wrote:


These guys crossed a line in our game and I am appalled at the levels they went to for there own twisted amusement.

What the Mittani did at fanfest pales in comparison.

CCP has to make a choice when enough is enough and I await an official response from them in this matter.


You have a game? What is it?

Does it have its own forums? Because these forums are for EVE Online, a game owned by CCP.

Also, if you hadn't noticed, CCP has already made a choice: They declined to 'respond,' and that's all the response this situation deserves.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#400 - 2014-03-25 16:41:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Ripard Teg, foremost apologist and advocate for the...
Ripard Teg wrote:
...subset of EVE players who are (a) ignorant about the nature of the game, and (b) greedy.


Boy aren't we lucky he's on our CSM! Roll

The blog didn't even mention skillpoint loss, it must have been an unusually tame bonus round. Erotica1 does some pretty mean stuff, but I'm not exactly seeing where he crossed the line into something bannable, especially considering all this interaction is taking place between consenting adults outside of the Eve environment. Teg is saying that a line was crossed somewhere (an easy argument to make), but he only proposes crucifixion, rather than an actual policy change. As a CSM member he needs to do better than that.

Many years ago I was dragged into teamspeak at 3am by someone I didn't know and interrogated for over an hour. Me, a clueless noobie, was threatened with the expulsion of my entire alliance from sov space and extorted for the majority of my wallet. When I complained about this to my corp, I was booted, because they preferred to appease the person who had targeted me in the first place. I did end up quitting the game for awhile, but the whole incident became one of those little chance encounters right out of the Butterfly Effect trailer, and led to me making friendships that I've maintained for years and have carried over into RL and other games. Several years later I unknowingly ended up flying alongside that same guy (he is not one of the aforementioned friends), but by the time I realized who he was it didn't matter, it was water under the bridge (what was I going to do? stop pvping? he was our main FC).

I think the New Order are scum, and I flatter myself to think I wouldn't have the heart to torture a poor guy over his speech impediment, but I also have very little sympathy for him.

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