EVE General Discussion

Much like in real world governance, some people feel that responsibility has no end. Nanny state for all, in game and out.

In fact the sticker he refers to is located on the bottem left corner of the login screen.

Interesting thread. Though it has the usual argument of right and wrong and people thinking being right or wrong determines if they can defy gravity or not.


As I have written for years, and will push yet again, this reminder: when the sandbox becomes all about kids bonking other kids over the head with a pail and shovel, and then pointing and laughing, it stops being a sandbox at that point.

So all this "hurf blurf THIS IS A SANDBOX! hurf blurf" crap starts out as a poor defense.

Part of what I have to deal with on a daily basis in RL is convincing people that:
A. Creating "you have no choice" situations for other people is never going to create an environment that you will like in the long run and
B. No matter who or what you think you are or how important or whether you are right or wrong, consequences, even if you disagree with them, will come.

The day will come when someone is going to kill themselves because they got "griefed". The people in this thread pointing their finger and accusing others of "blaming the victim" will blame the victim. It's a huge problem really. If I had a suicidal neighbor and found a way to push him over the edge, can I say "hey, he was unstable before I did anything. It was bound to happen." ?

Now when the day comes that an Eve player hangs himself after being.... blown up? In a space combat game? We play chess knowing someone is going to get checkmated..... no... humiliated, laughed at, disrespected, etc. ... things that had little to do with DPS and tank and what modules were used... it WON'T MATTER if that person was unstable before they played Eve.

Yeah, if someone gets their rookie ship popped and they go straight to the noose we would know this to be a case of someone who needed help.

But God help us if it happens after.. being pointed and laughed at.

In a world where people who work for failing mainstream media outlets need something - anything - for a story that has the potential for catch phrases like "cyberbullying". "It can happen to your kid!" it will be said. Everybody needs their boogeyman and the parents who have the TV on in the background as they do something else might not take notice long enough to see the commercials.
The journalists go to the same parties and dinners as the politicians - themselves dealing with their failing legitimacy - who will start the knee-jerking in the next legislative session.

And it's not like MMOs are thought of as a great thing either. A society that thinks kids spend too much time on the internet, while at the same time failing to notice that just about everything a teenager might do outside is deemed illegal... or at worst: won't matter to the cop who can beat them up for the lols (note the lack of accountability in RL and the results?), should not be expected to be "kind and reasonable" to some "problem" that nervous mothers start screeching about.

Yeah, it won't matter who or what. All people will see is a sandbox without sand castles and kids bleeding from the head with others pointing and laughing at them.

As much as I like this game, and I can say that the good people you will meet in this game far surpass the damage done by the ass-hats, I still have to confess that when the topic of games and MMOs come up, I always have a little pause before I tell anybody I play Eve.

If these actions around which this thread is about goes viral, I will probably have even more pause.


People will say "Hurf blurf YOU CAN'T POLICE EVERYBODY!!!1!!!".


Perhaps. But if I were "in charge" I know exactly what I would do in this case.


I would not let someone like Erotica 1 use MY copyright and construct of my intellectual property (my game) as a vehicle for "real life of meta jollies and greifing".

On other and more understandable words, while it would not be against the rules to scam people in game, and it was not against the rules to do what was done already, I would not allow players who take their scamming or activities out of game to base it on the knowledge, features, names, activites or content of my property.

Therefore, I would establish that yeah, you can go and totally make someone go apeshit and post it on youtube, but you won't be doing it saying "Hey, we were scamming in Eve Online and we got this player by the name of '' to get on team speak and we totally did XYZ taking all his (in game stuff)". In other words, grief, lols, all you want, but you WILL NOT be couching it in my game, as an activity of my game, as a feature of my game, and using any relation to any in-game identity or other content.

This would be to protect the reputation of "my" content. So yeah, you can post audio of "hey we totally pee-ed this dude off in a game" but you can't say which one.


I think this would be a perfect middle ground. The griefers can get their meta-jollies, but there's no need to play nanny for the rest of the player base. CCP controls the IP as the copyright holder and they have every right to establish rules for content outside of the game, but still drawing on or related to their property.

If the day comes that nobody who plays Eve will admit it, who then would bask in that "accomplishment"?

Thanks. But.... That's where the line starts and I haven't heard anyone complaining about that, much like I haven't heard anyone complaining that Nelson Mandela was allowed a defence lawyer.

But where does it end?

At what point does CCP stop having the right to sanction us for out of game interactions. If I buy you a beer at fanfest, and it turns out to be one beer too many and you faceplant outside Nonni's, do I get a temp ban for that? No?

OK, what's the line then.

Oh, I don't think they can 'police' anything out of game. No bearing on current issue presented in the thread, either.

Again not everything is black and white, you have to take each occurrence / situation / event on its own merits.

That day arrived years ago. There have been several incidents of murders occurring between MMO players due to ingame actions.

Fortunately EVE players seem to be rather level headed, polite and civilised in real life.

Am I the only person who teaches any newbie I find

1) Trust No One: Paranoia is Your Friend

2) There's no such thing as free money

3) Do not look directly at Jita Local

...I'll reluctantly bite here.

I spend the majority of my time in EvE flying with people who's company I enjoy, looking for mostly consentual pvp (i.e. you are in lowsec, w-space, or null), or doing my share of bearing for isk.

Having said that, EvE is a richer place for having conmen, thieves, and sociopaths. In a gaming society that increasingly forces people into narrow playstyles that are strictly moderated, I enjoy the risk and the unknown, this is what adds the uncertainty that makes this game interesting.

That said, I can't help but feel for this guy. I'd also like to +1 the comments of, don't blow your stack over space pixels, it just isn't worth t.

So basically, there are literally no rules and the only determining factor is being "offensive" to you.

If I hook up with another EVE player and form a relationship with her, should I be banned if Prince Kobol thinks she's too young for me?

How about if our alliances fight and you are offended by some of my propoganda posts on a 3rd party site?

Seriously, if you can't see why arbitrary banning for "offending" people - especially in a game like EVE - wouldn't be a huge whirlwind of a shitstorm, I don't know what to say to you. This isn't just a slippery slope: it's a 4km Luge ride straight to hell.