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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#341 - 2014-03-25 16:12:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Prince Kobol wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
This is what CCP created.

Are you Happy?


They are literally laughing all the way to the bank.

I'm happy, because CCP created this actual adult game where people are responsible for themselves.

I've fallen for a couple scams (I bought a 700 million isk tech1 hauler in Rens a few months ago,it was the only one in the Sisters station and i was in a hurry lol). It never occurred to me to threaten the scammer with real life harm or be mad at CCP for allowing me to do something stupid.

Same here, if you don't know you can be humiliated on comms (EVe voice or 3rd party) some responsible adult should take you headphones away and prevent you from downloading teamspeak ever again.

I will never understand how there are so many weak minded and irresponsible people in this world let alone in this notorious and harsh game.


Small issue is that Eve Online is not aimed at just adults but for 12+ years and above.


And shows like Family Guy appear on broadcast TV. And right now on publicly available broadcast Radio, Beyonce has a song about some dude "Monika Lewineskying" on here dress lol .
It is the parents responsibility to monitor what their kids watch/play/listen to no matter the ersb or whatever rating.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#342 - 2014-03-25 16:12:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Notorious Fellon wrote:
Universal Declaration of Human Rights, section 5 (torture). 1948 (I think)

Signed by the UK, US, Canada, Iceland and many more.

Only ones who abstained were Russia and a handful of mid-eastern and European countries.

Though maybe not entirely binding it is a clear message to the world that torture is not something universally acceptable.

Federal level and regional level laws exist all over the world on this topic. Don't play coy; you know said laws exist in most of the countries where the primary EVE population plays. If you need a citation, get off your lazy butt and look for one. It is impossible to google anything on the topic without a screen full of them.
I'm well aware of what torture is, thanks. You're using the word out of context to provoke an emotional response.

BTW, at least one of the signees of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights ignores it when it suits them, especially with regards to torture. It's not some little tinpot country either, it's the really large one that constantly promotes itself as the bastion of freedom, while whittling away at the very freedom it pretends to embrace.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#343 - 2014-03-25 16:14:16 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Faltharion Estidal wrote:
Hey malcanis this one is just for you;

The argumente of the gays has nothing to do with this conversation, way to use false cause hmmm?
here's to avoid falacy's for your enjoyment:
http://i.imgur.com/aEhOy.jpg?1.


Very well, then what argument would CCP use to resist such demands?

I'll wait.


And wait.

Oh dear, it turns out that just calling something a fallacy doesn't make it one and you have to be able to logically demonstrate why.


You know this is hardly true.


That's a fallacy.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#344 - 2014-03-25 16:14:46 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:

Now imagine Erotica pulling this sort of bullsh*t on a 12 year old kid that is about as emotionally stable as a house made of sand and who may already be dealing with enough bullying in their real lives.


Erotica 1 is outrageously smart. I'm pretty sure he knows a 12yr old can't give the consent he asks for at the beginning of the audio recordings. Yes, yes you heard right.. Erotica 1 asks the "victim" for consent to record the whole thing.


Which should be the end of the story if people were rational.
Prince Kobol
#345 - 2014-03-25 16:15:32 UTC
One point for those who have said he could of just left.

E1 is using something a kin to the Prior Investment Trap. This is something used by many conman / woman in real life to trick all kinds of people out of their money.
Pashino
Venice Academy
#346 - 2014-03-25 16:15:53 UTC
CCP has the discretionary ability to ban ppl from their game, in this case they should ban E1. If they take this action rarely and wisely, they'll improve their community standing, and the game overall.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#347 - 2014-03-25 16:16:07 UTC
18 pages in and I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where they think CCP's responsibility to police our out of game actions ends.



"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#348 - 2014-03-25 16:16:31 UTC
Not very nice.
I think that the in game actions and scamming itself is pure darwinism and no problem there but RECORDING RL Voice conversation while humiliating a person and then publish it online like we've seen here is not cool at all.

I thought the whole "Eve is harsh universe" thing was meant it's IN GAME as characthers inside a virtual universe in video game not humiliating people in RL.
Praetor Meles
Black Mount Industrial
Breakpoint.
#349 - 2014-03-25 16:16:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Praetor Meles
Winchester Steele wrote:
My wife laughed her ass off at this one. So did my kids. Especially the part where he goes batsh*t crazy and starts smashing stuff in his room.


Edit all: I wrote a post saying that I largely disapproved of this.

But, you know what. I actually don't - everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[insert random rubbish that irritates you personally] is further evidence that Eve is dying/thriving*

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#350 - 2014-03-25 16:16:38 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:


But he didn't so this argument is pointless here.


No, but he would. He'd have a field day if he got a young kid on comms to play his bonus room. Plenty of clips on Youtube of 12 year olds raging over video game trolls and Erotica is a special breed of troll.


But still, he didn't.

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Prince Kobol
#351 - 2014-03-25 16:16:50 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:

Now imagine Erotica pulling this sort of bullsh*t on a 12 year old kid that is about as emotionally stable as a house made of sand and who may already be dealing with enough bullying in their real lives.


Erotica 1 is outrageously smart. I'm pretty sure he knows a 12yr old can't give the consent he asks for at the beginning of the audio recordings. Yes, yes you heard right.. Erotica 1 asks the "victim" for consent to record the whole thing.


Which should be the end of the story if people were rational.


Yes because a 12 year would never not just say yes.....
Lady Areola Fappington
#352 - 2014-03-25 16:17:18 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:


Where is the sticker that say's you cannot play this game EVE if you have mental problems?
EVE is a GAME it means its meant to entertain.

The "people" involved in this didn't stop at scamming and kept going on and on and on and on in a real sociopathic way. Even when the victims wife asked them to give his stuff back they just rolled on in their despicable behavior.

What you write is not on trial here, not whether the guy should or not should have fallen for this scam but should we as a community say at some point this is enough. This has gone way too far?

Or would you rather say, gee, great job E1 &co. until someone gets driven over the edge kills him/herself, this ok behavior?



What's being said is, if you are not mentally stable enough to handle the environment of EVE online, you shouldn't play.

Much like how I stayed away from FPS wargames when I was dealing with PTSD. I didn't insist the game be changed to suit my then emotional instability.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Mario Putzo
#353 - 2014-03-25 16:17:35 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Faltharion Estidal wrote:
Hey malcanis this one is just for you;

The argumente of the gays has nothing to do with this conversation, way to use false cause hmmm?
here's to avoid falacy's for your enjoyment:
http://i.imgur.com/aEhOy.jpg?1.


Very well, then what argument would CCP use to resist such demands?

I'll wait.


And wait.

Oh dear, it turns out that just calling something a fallacy doesn't make it one and you have to be able to logically demonstrate why.


You know this is hardly true.


That's a fallacy.


Ur a fallacy.
Winchester Steele
#354 - 2014-03-25 16:17:49 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ok, I went and finished reading all of it. A little overblown, I believe. His writing has been taking that tone of late however.

But if he wants to make the world a better place, he needs to go volunteer at a soup kitchen. You know, real people with real suffering, not consenting adults making death threats over losing their pixels.



A - f*cking - men.

/thread.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#355 - 2014-03-25 16:18:04 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:

Now imagine Erotica pulling this sort of bullsh*t on a 12 year old kid that is about as emotionally stable as a house made of sand and who may already be dealing with enough bullying in their real lives.


Erotica 1 is outrageously smart. I'm pretty sure he knows a 12yr old can't give the consent he asks for at the beginning of the audio recordings. Yes, yes you heard right.. Erotica 1 asks the "victim" for consent to record the whole thing.


Which should be the end of the story if people were rational.


Yes because a 12 year would never not just say yes.....


A minor can't give consent, no matter how much whatever they say sounds like it.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#356 - 2014-03-25 16:18:37 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
One point for those who have said he could of just left.

E1 is using something a kin to the Prior Investment Trap. This is something used by many conman / woman in real life to trick all kinds of people out of their money.


And every salesman. In fact its used by people themselves when they think "if I just put my mom's retirement into the company, somehow things will turn around." The Prior Investment Trap isn't a defense, it describes the phenomenon.

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Mario Putzo
#357 - 2014-03-25 16:19:00 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
18 pages in and I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where they think CCP's responsibility to police our out of game actions ends.


Should it even start?
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#358 - 2014-03-25 16:19:04 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:

Now imagine Erotica pulling this sort of bullsh*t on a 12 year old kid that is about as emotionally stable as a house made of sand and who may already be dealing with enough bullying in their real lives.


Erotica 1 is outrageously smart. I'm pretty sure he knows a 12yr old can't give the consent he asks for at the beginning of the audio recordings. Yes, yes you heard right.. Erotica 1 asks the "victim" for consent to record the whole thing.


Which should be the end of the story if people were rational.


I'll keep that in mind next time someone asks your permission to record a street interview and then proceed to beat you up. Who cares, you gave consent!

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#359 - 2014-03-25 16:19:10 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Kara Vix wrote:
If CCP takes no action against Erotica, then they are sanctioning this behavior and are no better than he is. I expect better from them.


So you expect them to take action when no breach of either the EULA or the TOS has occured purely based on your dislike of his behaviour?


No but sometimes there are occasions, situations which fall outside the the EULA and TOS.

Not everything in Life is black and white.

Every so often something will happen that will fall outside the EULA and TOS and which is morally wrong.

In this situation we have a person / small group of people who have taken an in game situation outside the game to circumvent the rules to a level which at best can be described as bullying.

Now yes CCP can say that since it is happening on voice comms outside of their control they can ignore it and say it is outside their control, or they can say that they find this behaviour reprehensible and do not want their game to be associated with this type of behaviour and act in what ever way they feel is appropriate.

One thing they can not do is stay silent and hope it all goes away because people like Erotic and his friends tend to keep pushing the envelope further and further and will one day no doubt one day find somebody who is vulnerable, a 12 year or somebody in a weak mental state and the result will be terrible.

Just going to put a ^ here, because I can't say it any better myself.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#360 - 2014-03-25 16:19:29 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:

Now imagine Erotica pulling this sort of bullsh*t on a 12 year old kid that is about as emotionally stable as a house made of sand and who may already be dealing with enough bullying in their real lives.


Erotica 1 is outrageously smart. I'm pretty sure he knows a 12yr old can't give the consent he asks for at the beginning of the audio recordings. Yes, yes you heard right.. Erotica 1 asks the "victim" for consent to record the whole thing.


Which should be the end of the story if people were rational.


Yes because a 12 year would never not just say yes.....


A minor can't give consent, no matter how much whatever they say sounds like it.


Agreed.

If Erotica HAD done it to a 12yo he WOULD have been banned long before now.

But he didnt.

And I sincerly doubt he would.

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