EVE General Discussion

I think..
- Ripard's blog is overly polemic
- E1 is ethically wrong, on a worse level than The Mittani at Fanfest
- the victim overreacted aswell, but that does not make E1 right

We as a gaming community and CCP as a gaming company have a certain ethical background by which actions are judged. If my local chess club has a member that keeps dissing people we may very well debar hir. If an internet forum has a member that continuously keeps harassing other participants ze may very well get banned. If a certain customer is often near my store (on public ground) promoting a sect and I notice that it drives away other customers I may very well ban him from my store.
I see the problem being that the Eve community is a very broad one, with players from all over the world.
But maybe it's up to CCP here to make clear what they as a company think is right and what is wrong, what kind of behaviour they think is tolerable and which isn't, with the best for the overall player community in mind.
(Don't forget, we are talking about people conduct here, not character conduct)


Re: "No one was forcing him"
That's not as easy. I am sure E1 is a very intelligent person. And when it comes to rhetoric and psychology you have to look deeper.
E1 is doing his scheme in a very distinct way, on purpose. _First_ the player has to give up everything of ISK value ze owns. Players who are sufficiently intelligent (and are not trying to counterscam E1 or just messing around) likely stop right before that. Players that did this first step, are likely in a weaker state of mind. A player such as that, who already is heavily invested via the prepaid high stakes (high to hir at least), will have serious trouble just stopping.

That must hit the BDSM community pretty hard.. unless of course the torture has to be non-consensual in which case Erotica 1 is fine.

Thats up to the people bothered enough with the CSM to vote, I wasnt planning on voting for him anyway so it makes no difference to me either way.

I'm sorry. How are they a victim if they are a willing participant?

Oh. It's just more loaded terms and empty platitudes from the bubble wrap brigade. Got it.

But he didn't so this argument is pointless here.



CCP is making rules here and in the end our opinions don't matter at all. And I don't see anybody shooting statues over this "horrible behavior" so that means for all white knights here this is less important than pixel monocles.

Really annoying to have to wade through the posts of CSM Malcanis. Stop obfuscating the issue here with talk of "gays" or "Hitler" - It saddens me you made it to be a CSM with such poor posting and a poor grasp of things, but *sigh* block voting.

This is a blatently exposed case of some horrible out of game bullying as a result of Eve gameplay.

CCP has a responsibility to act on the bullying to firstly protect the more vulnerable players of the game, and secondly to protect the credibility of the whole Eve community.

Will it take an event like those recent chat room bullying-suicides (and probably the subsequent closure of Eve) before people like you realise CCP need to properly police and moderate (which is different to consorship) their community for the benefit of the whole community.

Universal Declaration of Human Rights, section 5 (torture). 1948 (I think)

Signed by the UK, US, Canada, Iceland and many more.

Only ones who abstained were Russia and a handful of mid-eastern and European countries.

Though maybe not entirely binding it is a clear message to the world that torture is not something universally acceptable.

Federal level and regional level laws exist all over the world on this topic. Don't play coy; you know said laws exist in most of the countries where the primary EVE population plays. If you need a citation, get off your lazy butt and look for one. It is impossible to google anything on the topic without a screen full of them.

Where is the sticker that say's you cannot play this game EVE if you have mental problems?
EVE is a GAME it means its meant to entertain.

The "people" involved in this didn't stop at scamming and kept going on and on and on and on in a real sociopathic way. Even when the victims wife asked them to give his stuff back they just rolled on in their despicable behavior.

What you write is not on trial here, not whether the guy should or not should have fallen for this scam but should we as a community say at some point this is enough. This has gone way too far?

Or would you rather say, gee, great job E1 &co. until someone gets driven over the edge kills him/herself, this ok behavior?

My wife laughed her ass off at this one. So did my kids. Especially the part where he goes batsh*t crazy and starts smashing stuff in his room.

Who's fault is it that this person a) gave all his assets to a total stranger and b) has no levity whatsoever?


I enjoy Erotica1's content, but do you know what I would say if he asked me to participate in the bonus room? No.

And really, that is the end of the debate. Whether or not you or the 10 other PC muppets in this thread "like" this particular content is absolutely irrelevant. It was an entirely consensual process.

Now pull your socks up, wipe your nose and head back on over to facebook with all the other moms and tots. This game is for adults.

How do you propose identifying these people? What makes someone vunerable? Should they wear a special badge or something?



Ill just let that sentence stand as it is.


Ok well I assume those were not EvE related or the forums would be on melt-down. However I am certain that they are more complex issues than you have made out and did not include a full grown adult man with rage issues and a helluva greed for spacecash.



Again, though, where is the line between "We deleted that comment because it could lead to unpleasant RL consequences" and "We deleted it because you like something we dont"?