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Salvos Rhoska
#301 - 2014-03-25 15:44:32 UTC
arabella blood wrote:
Aaaaand we are on page 15 and no Erotica1 comment yet. Banned already?

He is here reading.
Has even thrown me a Like or two.

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arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#302 - 2014-03-25 15:44:33 UTC
Pandora Barzane wrote:
arabella blood wrote:
Aaaaand we are on page 15 and no Erotica1 comment yet. Banned already?


nope, and wont happen. he's enjoying the precious tears though.



You cant really enjoy other's tears without letting those other know ;)

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Ameline Veil
uncooperative freight company
#303 - 2014-03-25 15:44:46 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:


Let me know which one you chose.



You have obviously already chosen for us both and i don't think that there is any possible way of a sensible discussion with you.
Winchester Steele
#304 - 2014-03-25 15:44:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Winchester Steele
Ripard Teg is, without a doubt, the worst thing to happen to the CSM in all my years of play. It's unreal to me that such a themepark loving, sandbox killing imbecile "represents" me to CCP. And no I didn't read his blog. His blog is trash barely more legible than Gevlon's and with about as much spin. Nothing that Ripard says has one shred of credibility over here, as in my mind he is public enemy #1 in terms of wanting to wreck the sandbox.

That being said, I do feel that Erotica1 brings lots of legitimate content to my Eve experience. Although he goes pretty far out of my comfort zone sometimes, I am not some PC busybody who has to impose my morals on other people (cough Ripard cough). If it is too much for me to stomach, I just go do something else.

You have to remember. The people who enter the bonus room do so willingly, as adults. I have absolutely no sympathy whatsoever, regardless of how it turns out. If you are dumb enough to hand all your assets over to a total stranger in Eve of all places, you get EXACTLY what you deserve.

Not that I expect my opinion or that of my peers to matter. The PC bubble wrap brigade is slowly and inexorably marching Eve to it's demise in their neverending quest to "just play the game in peace". Whatever. When they finally do boil the frog and make this game into Hello Kitty Online at least my wife will be happy that I have some free time again.

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arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#305 - 2014-03-25 15:46:00 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
arabella blood wrote:
Aaaaand we are on page 15 and no Erotica1 comment yet. Banned already?

He is here reading.
Has even thrown me a Like or two.


So why the hiding? Come out of your 'glory hole' bunny :)

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Xander Delacroix
Doomheim
#306 - 2014-03-25 15:46:35 UTC
Perhaps this discussion shouldn't be about a single incident, in this case Erotica1's bonus room, but rather about the questions that cut to the heart of the matter. Questions such as (but not limited to):

1. At what point does 'emergent gameplay' become 'cyber-bullying?
2. If such a point is established what could, and indeed what should, CCP do about it?
3. If people are found to be committing cyber-bullying, either within Eve or associated with Eve (as in the 'bonus room' case) what sanctions, if any, are appropriate?
4. Is there a role for the CSM in all this (especially since two of it's current members are quite vocal on this particular issue)?
5. Can some of the thoughts and ideas discussed in this thread be used by the CSM and CCP to try and find a common ground compromise?

Compromise seems to be the way forward: a resolution that many may not be happy with, but that everyone can at least live with? I think that Eve will be a better game and experience for everyone if we can actually enter into a civilised, and most importantly, productive, dialogue.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#307 - 2014-03-25 15:47:09 UTC
Kara Vix wrote:
If CCP takes no action against Erotica, then they are sanctioning this behavior and are no better than he is. I expect better from them.


So you expect them to take action when no breach of either the EULA or the TOS has occured purely based on your dislike of his behaviour?

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Malcolm from Marketing
Klaatu Technologies
#308 - 2014-03-25 15:49:06 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Kara Vix wrote:
If CCP takes no action against Erotica, then they are sanctioning this behavior and are no better than he is. I expect better from them.


So you expect them to take action when no breach of either the EULA or the TOS has occured purely based on your dislike of his behaviour?



Like mittani was you mean? Yeah that would be outrageous indeed.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#309 - 2014-03-25 15:49:48 UTC
Quote:
What I would say is "wow, that's an unstable person who should not have been playing EVE online of visiting a comms channel with some easily google-able person like Erotica1 in the 1st place"


Quote:
Did somebody hold a gun at that guy's head to make him do all those idiotic things? Seriously, you can have no idea about who Erotica1 is and what he does in Eve and still not let him put you through those silly things. You got baited into isk doubling scheme, fine, cut your loses and walk away.


And to everyone else who thinks that people who play EVE should all harden the f*ck up and all be emotionally stable super soldiers:

This might be a good time to point out that EVE Online is rated PEGI 12 and that children younger than 12 are actually allowed to play with their parent's consent.

Now imagine Erotica pulling this sort of bullsh*t on a 12 year old kid that is about as emotionally stable as a house made of sand and who may already be dealing with enough bullying in their real lives.

And regardless of that, I think it's absolutely repulsive that certain people around here believe that Erotica's behavior (or any bullying behavior within EVE) should be classed as 'normal and to be expected within EVE'.

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Prince Kobol
#310 - 2014-03-25 15:49:57 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
This is what CCP created.

Are you Happy?


They are literally laughing all the way to the bank.

I'm happy, because CCP created this actual adult game where people are responsible for themselves.

I've fallen for a couple scams (I bought a 700 million isk tech1 hauler in Rens a few months ago,it was the only one in the Sisters station and i was in a hurry lol). It never occurred to me to threaten the scammer with real life harm or be mad at CCP for allowing me to do something stupid.

Same here, if you don't know you can be humiliated on comms (EVe voice or 3rd party) some responsible adult should take you headphones away and prevent you from downloading teamspeak ever again.

I will never understand how there are so many weak minded and irresponsible people in this world let alone in this notorious and harsh game.


Small issue is that Eve Online is not aimed at just adults but for 12+ years and above.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#311 - 2014-03-25 15:50:23 UTC
Ameline Veil wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:


Let me know which one you chose.



You have obviously already chosen for us both and i don't think that there is any possible way of a sensible discussion with you.


Funny, I could say exactly the same thing about you.

Which was kind of the point in the first place, If you weren't interested in having a discussion about this at all then just come out and say so rather than trying to blame someone else for it.

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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#312 - 2014-03-25 15:51:52 UTC
Malcolm from Marketing wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Kara Vix wrote:
If CCP takes no action against Erotica, then they are sanctioning this behavior and are no better than he is. I expect better from them.


So you expect them to take action when no breach of either the EULA or the TOS has occured purely based on your dislike of his behaviour?



Like mittani was you mean? Yeah that would be outrageous indeed.


Right, because E1 was totally in a speaking role at a major CCP sponsored convention when this happened, it isn't the same and you know it.

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arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#313 - 2014-03-25 15:52:41 UTC
Read: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3867335#post3867335

When even Goons don't like the 'bonus room', you know something is going on...

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Anna Karhunen
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#314 - 2014-03-25 15:52:45 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Anna Karhunen wrote:
I read the Jester's blog post, but I haven't read any of the comments there, nor here. My opinion based on what Erotica1 has done, is to permaban him and all his accounts. No mercy whatsoever, no refunds for money spent. Nada.

Would you care to expand upon why Erotica and the like should suffer real world punishment for actions that are carried out within a virtual world that does not forbid said actions, no matter how distasteful you or I may find them?

Perspective is a quality that some in this thread appear to be lacking. If you don't like something that somebody is doing within the confines of Eve, then punish them for it, in game. Threats of real world violence for actions carried out within the context of Eve are not acceptable, people who make such threats, or condone them should be stomped on from a great height by both CCP and local authorities.

I don't know about Icelandic law, but in my country what Erotica1 does with the Bonus Room, is illegal. That alone is reason enough for me.

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#315 - 2014-03-25 15:53:13 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Quote:
What I would say is "wow, that's an unstable person who should not have been playing EVE online of visiting a comms channel with some easily google-able person like Erotica1 in the 1st place"


Quote:
Did somebody hold a gun at that guy's head to make him do all those idiotic things? Seriously, you can have no idea about who Erotica1 is and what he does in Eve and still not let him put you through those silly things. You got baited into isk doubling scheme, fine, cut your loses and walk away.


And to everyone else who thinks that people who play EVE should all harden the f*ck up and all be emotionally stable super soldiers:

This might be a good time to point out that EVE Online is rated PEGI 12 and that children younger than 12 are actually allowed to play with their parent's consent.

Now imagine Erotica pulling this sort of bullsh*t on a 12 year old kid that is about as emotionally stable as a house made of sand and who may already be dealing with enough bullying in their real lives.

And regardless of that, I think it's absolutely repulsive that certain people around here believe that Erotica's behavior (or any bullying behavior within EVE) should be classed as 'normal and to be expected within EVE'.


This is the only rule change I would support. Making the game 18+, it's a double win both for the kids who should be playing outside, and for those of us who don't want annoying kids around.
Lady Areola Fappington
#316 - 2014-03-25 15:54:05 UTC
Malcolm from Marketing wrote:

Agreed.

Only the authorities and mainline media will be looking for any and all triggers in even increasing detail. Blame has to land somewhere no?

I wouldnt say CCP would be over joyed at their game being a deciding factor.



It's actually one of the more annoying bits of mental healthcare in this day and age. People are more obsessed over discovering and avoiding "triggers" that set off mental disorders, than they are actually treating the disorder so the "trigger" is no longer a problem.

And, again going off past incidents where similar has happened....the media will try to conflate the game with the disorder (Mother shakes baby to death, then plays Farmville! News at 9!" and the authorities will apply legal "blame" to the person suffering said mental disorder.

Honestly, it's no longer a hypothetical in the gaming world. People have gone off the deep end and committed crimes due to in game behaviour. It's almost silly to speculate on the reaction, when you can just google it.

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Jonah Gravenstein
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#317 - 2014-03-25 15:54:20 UTC
Anna Karhunen wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Anna Karhunen wrote:
I read the Jester's blog post, but I haven't read any of the comments there, nor here. My opinion based on what Erotica1 has done, is to permaban him and all his accounts. No mercy whatsoever, no refunds for money spent. Nada.

Would you care to expand upon why Erotica and the like should suffer real world punishment for actions that are carried out within a virtual world that does not forbid said actions, no matter how distasteful you or I may find them?

Perspective is a quality that some in this thread appear to be lacking. If you don't like something that somebody is doing within the confines of Eve, then punish them for it, in game. Threats of real world violence for actions carried out within the context of Eve are not acceptable, people who make such threats, or condone them should be stomped on from a great height by both CCP and local authorities.

I don't know about Icelandic law, but in my country what Erotica1 does with the Bonus Room, is illegal. That alone is reason enough for me.

Citation needed.

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#318 - 2014-03-25 15:57:07 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Malcolm from Marketing wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Kara Vix wrote:
If CCP takes no action against Erotica, then they are sanctioning this behavior and are no better than he is. I expect better from them.


So you expect them to take action when no breach of either the EULA or the TOS has occured purely based on your dislike of his behaviour?



Like mittani was you mean? Yeah that would be outrageous indeed.


Right, because E1 was totally in a speaking role at a major CCP sponsored convention when this happened, it isn't the same and you know it.


Could very well be. He's running for CSM (or so he claims). If he gets enough votes we're sending someone to Iceland that takes pride in humiliating and abusing the player base he provides a voice for.

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Ameline Veil
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#319 - 2014-03-25 15:57:24 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

Citation needed.


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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#320 - 2014-03-25 15:58:23 UTC
Xander Delacroix wrote:
1. At what point does 'emergent gameplay' become 'cyber-bullying?
2. If such a point is established what could, and indeed what should, CCP do about it?

It shouldn't be a point but a vague nebulous grey area that will allow CCP to almost arbitrarily ban anyone at any time who dares to enter if they so feel like it. As soon as it is clearly defined, people will balance on the edge of "legality". With a grey area, anyone that tries to find that fine line will get lost and possibly eaten.

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