EVE General Discussion

Did you somehow miss the bit about a permaban? That's a real world punishment.

This hasn't happened, if it did then many of the defenders, not necessarily of Erotica, of which I've seen few, if any; but of the right to scam would probably be amongst the first to offer their help, we're not all heartless tossers, we know where to draw the line, people hurting others or themselves over a videogame is where it is drawn.

It's carried out within the context of the game and its virtual world, all assets involved are technically the property of CCP anyway. I haven't seen any evidence that anything beyond voluntary humiliation and the loss of virtual assets and cash happened.

This cuts both ways, btw

Well, I personally find the behaviour described in the blog disgusting, but I doubt that CCP can or should act as some sort of moral instance. They have to react if someone gets harassed personally in RL - but there will always be fringe cases, people claiming this or that was only targeting the character, not the player and whatnot.

Couldn't we just install some sort of Stellar Court of Justice for these things?
Elected judges, like CSM members that can produce a verdict in certain situations so the community can sort this out.

If CCP takes no action against Erotica, then they are sanctioning this behavior and are no better than he is. I expect better from them.

Aaaaand we are on page 15 and no Erotica1 comment yet. Banned already?

nope, and wont happen. he's enjoying the precious tears though.

I have listened to some of the sound recording and read the articles & comments on Jestertrek and the Minerbumping site. I don't know if the Mittani's site will cover this story. His site is one of the most intelligent but he probably won't touch it given he was involved in a similar event. I haven't found Malcanis replies on this OP but he usually says peculiar things.

I personally think it's alright to do bumping and suicide ganking in-game in that it's usually a roleplay activity or involves actions to disrupt other business or protect your own business interests. Scamming is a bit dodgy but it is usually fairly obvious what is trying to be done. Pilots names, huge bounties on their heads or continual spamming of ridiculous offers gives away what they are about and trying to do. As regards UI loopholes such as open trade where people can change what is being offered mid-exchange to steal the other guys stuff should be stopped by CCP along with any other market discrepancies but that's just my opinion. I don't think new players falling foul of UI loopholes reflects well on CCP or any of us. It crosses a line in the sand.

On the other hand I don't think people such as Erotica should be using TS or other voice software to scam people. If you throw the 'I will double your ISK' comments out in in-game chat channels and people bite then they deserve all they get. All except new players will know this is a scam and new players will probably only get caught once and not with that much ISK lost. But if you invite people into a TS channel and scam them for everything they have that is not on and Erotica and her cohorts should have the sense to realise that. It is one step away from telephone 'cold-callers' or door to door salesmen scamming old age pensioners out of their RL savings.

I think anyone should be able to deduce from the victims voice on the sound recording, even though he has an American accent, that he is a vulnerable person. I get the feeling he was not greedy and genuinely thought he was going to gain ISK I'm not sure why but I get that feeling. It is morally bankrupt to treat someone like that even though it probably would be difficult to argue in a court of law that a crime had been committed. It is even more ugly to take the **** out of someone who has a handicap or disability such as a speech impediment. Once Erotica got to this point she had in my view crossed the line beyond which CCP should take action on Erotica's account.

I think CCP should therefore return any transferred assets from Erotica to the victim and take some kind of action against Erotica and maybe against the other offenders in TS channel. Suspensions for the other offenders and maybe removal of Erotica and all her in-game assets

Banned people can't "like" a post and guess who just for an Erotica1 like!!!

(hint: me)

USTZ I believe, it's still early there.

If he is a vulnerable person why is he playing EVE. If he's under someone's care they dropped the ball, if he's not then he's competent to make his own decisions and thus face the consequences of same.

According to him he's a grown married man knowledgeable enough to play EVE....but apparently not enough to use google.