EVE General Discussion

What real life punishments did they suggest? I see in game punishments but nothing more in this post? ( unless they ninja edited )

I'm wondering what all these defenders of Erotica would say should the victim in question take it to the extreme and harm himself or family in any way. It's still just a game right?

Now you're starting to sound like Dinsdale, trust me that's never a good thing.

The problem you have is that you make stupid or outrageous claims and expect everyone to automaticly agree with you, then when we decide instead to prove them wrong or challenge you to back them up you instantly shift the goalposts and try to make out you said something different that makes us totally wrong and therefore you can instantly claim victory, Rinse and Repeat. You did it for thirty pages in the other thread which the ISD rightly consigned to the forum gutter and you're doing it again here.

If you had the balls to actually try and have a discussion with people you wouldn't be having such a hard time.

If you feel that you can do better, run for CSM.

Malcanis IMHO has done a good job, and many people voted for him based not only on his platform, but also for his habit of being bluntly honest, and not mincing words on idiots.

If it was me or you doing it, these same individuals protecting Erotica1's "innocence" would be screaming for our blood and banning.

Some of them earn directly from Erotica1, as does CODE.
Others are present in the "bonus room" recordings, getting their circle-jerk on with sweaty palms and heavy breathing.

@Jenn aSide: You aren't smart enough to take me on. I understand that irritates your fragile ego. Especially because you KNOW it to be true. You think you are a big fish in a virtual world and that is very important to your feelings of self-worth. But I'm sorry, you just don't have what it takes to come at me. You will lose every time. It doesn't even cause me any effort or challenge. Its like swatting aside a whining mosquito.

Beyond repulsive.

Although the "torturers" may well be within the lines of the EULA and TOS, it begs the question; if you were CCP would you want someone like this using your service as a means to find suitable targets for their twisted and morbid fantasies?

I would not. They would be banned and sent on their way. Who you choose to associate with reflects upon you. If this is allowed to persist, then CCP is no better than this foul excuse for a human being.

I know 'the media' outright lies about things and embellishes things for ratings/money. So I know something like that would be exploited by them...

...Which doesn't matter if you are a reasonable person who doesn't believe the hype and examines things for yourself.

I believe about the media the same thing i believe about everything else: It doesn't matter that they lie for profit, what matters is matters what I am willing to believe. The truth is the only thing that counts, and the truth in the matter would be that the person who hurt themselves shouldn't have been online, not that CCP made a game about space pirates.

I can't believe how many people in this community think that they are the righteous crusaders of Darwin's will.
How on earth can you arrogate yourself to decide who should be on "your" internet and who not?

Statements like "the invisible fist of darwin" or "he's so stupid, he deserved it" just disgust me.

Free speech laws apply to nations, not private virtual constructs.

Actually, when the particular "victim" in this instance threaten to murder Erotica 1's mother over a video game, some laws were probably broken. Jester wants people to talk to the women folk about the recording because he's apparently sexist. But I wonder what Erotica 1's mother thinks about that little gem.

Apologies if this is going over old ground in the wider discussion...wanted to take a bit of time to think about it on my own first!

There is a comment under the blog that has stuck with me while thinking about this:

“There is no additional in-game benefit for them to do this. That is the point. They already have all of his assets. There is one sole purpose to do what they do, and it is despicable to do this to another human being just for your own enjoyment.”

In game terms only, they have scammed the guy. Without a doubt, this is allowed and I would always support it. He was naive enough to contract over all his stuff and, well, sadly, that’s his problem. Eve is a cold hard place, and that’s how it should be. But.

It’s the what-happened-next that I have a real issue with. You are dealing with people who have deep-rooted psychological issues if they are finding this amusing. The guy is in obvious distress, and still they continue. Who knows what is going on with their victim in real life – from the sounds of it he could be a very vulnerable human being (in a potentially already complex domestic situation considering his wife’s actions). The conduct of the bullies is at best grotesque, and at worse indicative of people who, if not reined in, are going to go on to...bigger things. I’m not a big believer that in-game behaviour is indicative of real life behaviour, but we’re not talking about some guy merciless hunting down and popping some poor dude’s ships time and again, or somebody awoxing, or griefer war-deccing. Remember, there is absolutely no material gain in what they did. They already had his stuff. What followed was for their amusement only. They inflicted harm on another human being for “lols”. You know, like a psychopath might. Remember. No actual advantage to their behaviour at all.

Now, why should CCP, or the rest of the Eve community, care?

Simple. One day, these clowns are going to go too far (if they haven’t already). It doesn’t take too much of a stretch of the imagination to see a situation like this spiral out of control. Maybe the guy logs off and harms himself? What then? In many countries, that would end with the equivalent of the FBI kicking in somebody’s door. Hell, in many countries what they’ve already done so far could lead to that. Now, why should CCP or us care – it didn’t happen in-game, right? Again...”Eve Online bullies drove my son to harm himself”...not a stretch of the imagination too far to see that on the front page of a newspaper on a slow news day. Setting aside any moral or legal issues, this kind of thing could bring the worst kind of publicity imaginable to CCP. And, by extension, us individually. “You play Eve...isn’t that they game where...?”

Eve is already notorious in the gaming community for its harsh and unforgiving nature. Idiots like the ones cheering each other on in “the bonus room” are going to lead to the wider community perhaps turning the spotlight on Eve. And then it really could be game over.