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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#121 - 2014-03-25 13:14:10 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:



You asked how I felt about it. I felt that if someone is taking photos of your home, you should probably be very careful how you treat them.


The above highlighted sentence is many times more morally reprehensible than anything any in-game scammer has ever done. There is never any justification for out of game threats, period.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#122 - 2014-03-25 13:14:15 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Lol, "blaming the victim", right out of the mouth of a White Knight himself. Delicious.

I didnt blame you.

You asked how I felt about it. I felt that if someone is taking photos of your home, you should probably be very careful how you treat them.

Reread what I said :)

I know its hard, and that you have an agenda here and its very very important to you though this is all just a game.
But TRY to read accurately. Otherwise, you come off as an idiot :)

But yes, if youve deliberately managed to **** someone off that is so mentally unstable as to actually find out where you live, then I think you done f****d up, and its your own fault.

Not my problem. You did it yourself. Don't cry when the **** you've done suddenly turns up on your own doorstep to bite you back.


Now THIS is backpedaling. You lot could learn something from this.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#123 - 2014-03-25 13:14:25 UTC
Malcolm from Marketing wrote:

Your counter arguments are empty of content and pathetic at best.
Actually Malcanis makes a good point, as long as assets and ISK remain within the game, what happens outside of the game is not within their purview.

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Your point out Erotica broke no rules or laws, your quite correct. What he has done can be likened to bringing the game into disrepute by going above and beyond to push the boundaries of whats acceptable in the name of emergent gameplay. CCP should consider very carefully if this is the type of behavior they want associated with their game as it's treading very dangerous grounds.
Emergent gameplay is by its very definition about pushing the boundaries, it's one of Eve's salient selling points. If CCP consider what Erotica does goes beyond what they consider to be acceptable they'll do something about it. Personally I find it distasteful, as such I take no part in Eroticas shenanigans.

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Ignoring all that, it's simply a case of morals, ( ironic in a game such as EVE i know ) yes its a game, yes he was a willing participant but that still doesnt excuse what's happened and has happened many times previous.
As above, if CCP deem the activities of Erotica and others that facilitate similar activities as over the top, then they will do something about it.

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CCP should remove ALL his assets over ALL his accounts and give him a temp ban. Thats the right course of action in this case, but of course thats not what your interested in is it.
Why? As it stands Erotica remains within the rules of the game, has broken no real world laws and sticks to scamming people out of their virtual assets and currency, which remain within the game, albeit using out of game mechanisms to do so.

Just because you find the activities of Erotica and the like morally reprehensible does not mean that they should be banned from Eve, especially as the game in its current form allows them to pursue those activities.

I don't like the extremes that the bonus room goes to, but I see no reason for people to be banned from a game for doing something I consider distasteful when the game in question encourages people to be ruthless bastards to get ahead, and places few limits on what is possible in the pursuit of doing so.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Xander Delacroix
Doomheim
#124 - 2014-03-25 13:14:56 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Tyburn Stannis wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


I've mentioned this before, but I was actually stalked at one point by someone I "griefed" in a videogame. They sent me a link with a picture of my front door on it.

How do you feel about that?


[retracted] Obvious troll is obvious.

Too slow. You wrote: "I feel you didn't take enough care to separate your online and real identities, and that you underestimated the effects of your actions. And that your case is a perfect example of how many people don't understand the "paper trail" they leave online. "



Unlike some, I have backed my opinions with my identity.



So has Ripard Teg. Does that make your opinions any more valid? Does that make Ripard's any more valid? The answer is 'no' to both questions.

However, this thread has begun the inevitable descent into personal attacks. As CCP Falcon warned, chances of a lock increasing...
Erin Crawford
#125 - 2014-03-25 13:15:11 UTC
Step 1: Block in game.
Step 2: Block in forums.
= problem solved.
Roll

"Those who talk don’t know. Those who know don’t talk. "

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#126 - 2014-03-25 13:16:34 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:



You asked how I felt about it. I felt that if someone is taking photos of your home, you should probably be very careful how you treat them.


The above highlighted sentence is many times more morally reprehensible than anything any in-game scammer has ever done. There is never any justification for out of game threats, period.



Silly Jenn. It's prefectly OK to break the rules, and even the law, if it's done against bad people.

That's why we should go along with the mob and support erotica1 being banned

After all, what possible bad consequence could possibly result in fostering this attitude?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Salvos Rhoska
#127 - 2014-03-25 13:17:23 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
The above highlighted sentence is many times more morally reprehensible than anything any in-game scammer has ever done. There is never any justification for out of game threats, period.


Nope.

Why should I care if someone YOU have pissed off and driven over the edge shows up at your doorstep?

Its not my problem. I didn't **** them off. Its not my doorstep they are at, and its you who are responsible for your own actions in pissing them off.

Thats how the world works, deal with it.
Dont come crying to me when your someone actually comes after you for conduct you yourself are responsible for in the first place.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#128 - 2014-03-25 13:18:38 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
The above highlighted sentence is many times more morally reprehensible than anything any in-game scammer has ever done. There is never any justification for out of game threats, period.


Nope.

Why should I care if someone YOU have pissed off and driven over the edge shows up at your doorstep?

Its not my problem. I didn't **** them off. Its not my doorstep they are at, and its you who are responsible for your own actions in pissing them off.

Thats how the world works, deal with it.
Dont come crying to me when your someone actually comes after you for conduct you yourself are responsible for in the first place.


Blaming the victim.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Salvos Rhoska
#129 - 2014-03-25 13:19:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Blaming the victim.


You are blaming the victim in the recording.

Checkmate.

Your propaganda department really needs to fire the 3-4 of you.
You aren't any good at this at all.

If the guy you where griefing deliberately found out where you live and comes after you, that is neither my problem, my responsibility, a result of anything I have done, or any of my ****s. Its your problem and one you have directly been involved in escalating due to your own choices.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#130 - 2014-03-25 13:22:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Blaming the victim.


You are blaming the victim in the recording.

Checkmate.

Your propaganda department really needs to fire the 3-4 of you.
You aren't any good at this at all.


Salvos Rhoska wrote:
it's you who are responsible for your own actions in pissing them off. That's how the world works, deal with it.

Is the same damned thing as:

"she shouldn't have been wearing clothes like that, she asked for it"

Way to take the moral superiority, bro. /golfclap

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#131 - 2014-03-25 13:23:56 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
The above highlighted sentence is many times more morally reprehensible than anything any in-game scammer has ever done. There is never any justification for out of game threats, period.


Nope.

Why should I care if someone YOU have pissed off and driven over the edge shows up at your doorstep?

Its not my problem. I didn't **** them off. Its not my doorstep they are at, and its you who are responsible for your own actions in pissing them off.

Thats how the world works, deal with it.
Dont come crying to me when your someone actually comes after you for conduct you yourself are responsible for in the first place.


Translation: If you get sexually assaulted, perhaps consider not wearing mini-skirts from now on.

As with all of your type, you make no distinction between in game and out of game.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#132 - 2014-03-25 13:25:49 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


You are blaming the victim in the recording.

Check


Yeah as much a victim as a gambler getting greedy then trying to trash the casino because his greed go the better of him.

If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Xander Delacroix
Doomheim
#133 - 2014-03-25 13:27:02 UTC
On one side we have those who want Erotica1 and his cronies buried in a digital shallow grave.

On the other side, we have those wishing to hoist Erotic1 up on their shoulders as a hero to freedom.

Perhaps, just perhaps, there's a middle ground? Where we can discuss the underlying issue, rather than this single incident? We're all adults, and dealing with the issue of 'potential' cyber bullying is very much an adult issue. So how about we all get off our respective soapboxes, myself included, and start discussing, as adults, this issue and the ramifications that any potential decisions and actions taken regarding the "emergent gameplay" vs "cyber-bullying" debate?
Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#134 - 2014-03-25 13:27:09 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:



You asked how I felt about it. I felt that if someone is taking photos of your home, you should probably be very careful how you treat them.


The above highlighted sentence is many times more morally reprehensible than anything any in-game scammer has ever done. There is never any justification for out of game threats, period.



Silly Jenn. It's prefectly OK to break the rules, and even the law, if it's done against bad people.

That's why we should go along with the mob and support erotica1 being banned

After all, what possible bad consequence could possibly result in fostering this attitude?



I agree with Malcanis ... silly Jenn.

What's the difference between posting a soundcloud recording, obtained out of game, purely for the further humiliation of the victim versus (say)someone posting a link to an uploaded imgur picture of the outside of your house? It's only bits and bytes right? Roll
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#135 - 2014-03-25 13:27:09 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


You are blaming the victim in the recording.

Check


Yeah as much a victim as a gambler getting greedy then trying to trash the casino because his greed go the better of him.

If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.


Do I spy a Zapp Brannigan reference?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Salvos Rhoska
#136 - 2014-03-25 13:27:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Same thing as you blaming the victim in the recordings.

Sorry, you cant have it both ways.

Checkmate, again.

If someone shows up at your house as result of you deliberately humiliating and griefing them, thats your own fault.
Dont come crying to me when I read about in the papers.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#137 - 2014-03-25 13:28:34 UTC
Xander Delacroix wrote:
On one side we have those who want Erotica1 and his cronies buried in a digital shallow grave.

On the other side, we have those wishing to hoist Erotic1 up on their shoulders as a hero to freedom.

Perhaps, just perhaps, there's a middle ground? Where we can discuss the underlying issue, rather than this single incident? We're all adults, and dealing with the issue of 'potential' cyber bullying is very much an adult issue. So how about we all get off our respective soapboxes, myself included, and start discussing, as adults, this issue and the ramifications that any potential decisions and actions taken regarding the "emergent gameplay" vs "cyber-bullying" debate?


So shines a good deed in a weary world

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#138 - 2014-03-25 13:29:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


You are blaming the victim in the recording.


The grown man in the recording not only chose to play EVE online, he chose to go into a "bonus room" with a character named Erotica1 in a greedy attempt to make imaginary money. He got Bested, then lost his mind and revealed his true self by making out of game threats and being racist. The only person wrong in that situation was the person making the threats, not the person playing the game within the rules.

This is what google says about erotica1. https://www.google.com/#q=erotica1

Kaarous was playing a video game within it's rules and received real life threats. The only person wrong in that situation was the person making the threats, not the person playing the game within the rules.

It's really easy to understand for those of us with an actual moral center.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#139 - 2014-03-25 13:29:11 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Same thing as you blaming the victim in the recordings.

Sorry, you cant have it both ways.

Checkmate, again.


Pointing your wild hypocrisy is not having it both ways.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#140 - 2014-03-25 13:29:31 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

As with all of your type, you make no distinction between in game and out of game.
I'm desperately trying to avoid this particular subject, it never ends well. I'm half expecting a warning from CCP for what happened the last time I called someone out on this.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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