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Muestereate
Minions LLC
#41 - 2014-03-25 12:19:36 UTC
You really don't even come close to getting it.
Tuscor
13.
#42 - 2014-03-25 12:20:22 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Here is Jesters latest Blog

http://jestertrek.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/the-bonus-round.html

As you can probably tell it is to do with Erotica 1's bonus round.

It is a very damning blog.

I can only surmise that Jester has brought the subject up with CCP and was not happy with there response which thus led him to create this blog. (Many apologise if I am wrong)

I would be very interested to hear what the community at large thinks and perhaps for Erotica and friends to refute the claims being made that they actually enjoy the pain and humiliation that they cause, especially to the man in the recording linked in Jesters Blog.


Is it CCP's responsibility to police out of game interaction between their players where no law has been broken?

If so, where does that responsibility end? Should they ban a player when his wife complains about him playing EVE instead of doing the chores?

If I hook up with another EVE player who happens to be from say Japan, should CCP have the right and duty to ban me if the GM involved disapproves of inter-racial relationships? What about homosexual relationships?

What if I encourage another player to log in to fleet and miss church on sunday?

Where exactly does CCP's "responsibility" end?



CCP might just want to stop gross behaviours associated with their game. They have no responsiblity to maybe, and certainly no legal obligation but maybe they should do something anyway in this instance.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#43 - 2014-03-25 12:20:32 UTC
Ok, I went and finished reading all of it. A little overblown, I believe. His writing has been taking that tone of late however.

But if he wants to make the world a better place, he needs to go volunteer at a soup kitchen. You know, real people with real suffering, not consenting adults making death threats over losing their pixels.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#44 - 2014-03-25 12:21:10 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Buck Futz wrote:
And, now, having read the actual blog....
I'm quite convinced that Ripard is the intolerable sort that whines to the coach when he gets hazed by his team-members in the men's locker room.

Of course this is theoretical.
Because it would require Ripard actually setting foot in a men's locker room for something other than pilates or yoga.
You know, something that doesn't require stretchy see-through pants.

And this is exactly this kind of replies that doesn't push the world and community towards a better place.

But hey it's easier being a douche than being nice to people...

/c


Define "better place". While rough, Buck's comment IMO is spot on (and hilarious). EVE is grown folks land, and reality (whether involving this video game or not) is harsh and will always be. Some of us like it that way, or at least can tolerate it that way because it is what it is.

Some dude (Erotica) getting his jollies off some greedy guy who is too greedy to know he's being played while losing his mind on voice comms isn't in any way some kind of big deal.

If one can't stand heat, one should not light bonfires in Hell (aka EVE Online).
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#45 - 2014-03-25 12:21:22 UTC
Hands up everyone who can see a problem with demanding the CCP ban people on the basis of "They haven't broken any game rules, and they haven't broken any laws, but I find them personally distasteful"


"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#46 - 2014-03-25 12:22:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
Personally I don't give one crap what happens to someone ingame and in fact encourage any sort of behaviour that could be classed as "Darwinism"; filtering out the players who just can't adapt or survive. Having said that I draw the line at purposely attacking, bullying and near sociopathic behaviour. There's a difference between ingame dealings with a player and taking it all out of context and "toy" with a person in public.

Years ago Tank CEO got this guy on TS who then ended up going apeshit, but initially the outset was to just have a talk and try and clam this guy down, explaining some stuff. It just turned out to be hilarious and thus I have no issue with it. That link in Jester's blog goes way beyond that and while I normally would go "lol HTFU" this, again, does cross the line imo.
Buck Futz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2014-03-25 12:22:24 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Buck Futz wrote:
And, now, having read the actual blog....
I'm quite convinced that Ripard is the intolerable sort that whines to the coach when he gets hazed by his team-members in the men's locker room.

Of course this is theoretical.
Because it would require Ripard actually setting foot in a men's locker room for something other than pilates or yoga.
You know, something that doesn't require stretchy see-through pants.

And this is exactly this kind of replies that doesn't push the world and community towards a better place.

But hey it's easier being a douche than being nice to people...

/c


Actually, Ripard's blog itself was a very clear personal attack on Erotica 1. Would you classify this as 'being a douche' as well?

I guess in /c's world, douchbag-ism is only reserved for people who 'aren't like him'.

Whats getting lost in this? At any point the so-called 'victim' could have shut off teamspeak and walked away.
ANY point. His own character flaws kept him there. You don't get to put that on Erotica 1.

Harrassment? Don't make me laugh. Sohkar could have walked out at any time, but no, he chose to rant and rave like a moron, get his wife involved - and was held up to well-deserved ridicule.

Ripard's screwed up worldview that leads to people like George Zimmerman being arrested for a show-trial.
He won in court because common sense still manages to assert itself once in awhile.
Lesson: Treyvon killed Treyvon by choosing to aggressively attack an armed man that was acting well within his rights.

Sohkar did this to Sohkar. End of story.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#48 - 2014-03-25 12:22:32 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Hands up everyone who can see a problem with demanding the CCP ban people on the basis of "They haven't broken any game rules, and they haven't broken any laws, but I find them personally distasteful"




Something one of the Founding Fathers might have said, about being willing to sacrifice other people's freedom?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Salvos Rhoska
#49 - 2014-03-25 12:23:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Send this and other recordings to Wired, PCGamer and other gaming/virtual related sites and publications
They'll have a field day printing bad press all over this.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Prince Kobol
#50 - 2014-03-25 12:23:41 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Here is Jesters latest Blog

http://jestertrek.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/the-bonus-round.html

As you can probably tell it is to do with Erotica 1's bonus round.

It is a very damning blog.

I can only surmise that Jester has brought the subject up with CCP and was not happy with there response which thus led him to create this blog. (Many apologise if I am wrong)

I would be very interested to hear what the community at large thinks and perhaps for Erotica and friends to refute the claims being made that they actually enjoy the pain and humiliation that they cause, especially to the man in the recording linked in Jesters Blog.


Is it CCP's responsibility to police out of game interaction between their players where no law has been broken?

If so, where does that responsibility end? Should they ban a player when his wife complains about him playing EVE instead of doing the chores?

If I hook up with another EVE player who happens to be from say Japan, should CCP have the right and duty to ban me if the GM involved disapproves of inter-racial relationships? What about homosexual relationships?

What if I encourage another player to log in to fleet and miss church on sunday?

Where exactly does CCP's "responsibility" end?


I find it interesting that you have not stated whether you personally feel if Erotica and his friends have stepped over the line at any point.

Lets Hypothetise for a moment.

What do you would be a media outlet such as massively reaction to such a thing be?

Do you think it would be positive or negative?
Tuscor
13.
#51 - 2014-03-25 12:24:01 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Tuscor wrote:
Just ban Erotica1. The community does not need poisonous twats like that - and I for one am happy for the sandbox and 'emergent gameplay' to take second seat to cleaning the community of such filth.


People talk about gays in very similar terms to the ones you have used in your post.

Come to that, so have insane monogonadal austrian dictators.



Sure, and for many years that was considered an acceptable way to treat/speak about homosexuals. That is thankfully changing.

But dont try and compare this to homophobia, or german dictators for god's sake! Discriminating and vilifying minority groups is not the same as disliking and calling for action against a bullying sociopath...
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#52 - 2014-03-25 12:24:34 UTC
Listen, Sohkar is my Alliance.

He got what he deserved.

If I wasnt being restrained he'd have got more.

End of.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#53 - 2014-03-25 12:24:45 UTC
Tuscor wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Here is Jesters latest Blog

http://jestertrek.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/the-bonus-round.html

As you can probably tell it is to do with Erotica 1's bonus round.

It is a very damning blog.

I can only surmise that Jester has brought the subject up with CCP and was not happy with there response which thus led him to create this blog. (Many apologise if I am wrong)

I would be very interested to hear what the community at large thinks and perhaps for Erotica and friends to refute the claims being made that they actually enjoy the pain and humiliation that they cause, especially to the man in the recording linked in Jesters Blog.


Is it CCP's responsibility to police out of game interaction between their players where no law has been broken?

If so, where does that responsibility end? Should they ban a player when his wife complains about him playing EVE instead of doing the chores?

If I hook up with another EVE player who happens to be from say Japan, should CCP have the right and duty to ban me if the GM involved disapproves of inter-racial relationships? What about homosexual relationships?

What if I encourage another player to log in to fleet and miss church on sunday?

Where exactly does CCP's "responsibility" end?



CCP might just want to stop gross behaviours associated with their game. They have no responsiblity to maybe, and certainly no legal obligation but maybe they should do something anyway in this instance.


"Gays are gross. I demand people ban any player who admits to being gay. The community should cleaned of such filth" On what basis do CCP resist that demand?

Once being merely distasteful is suffficient reason to ban someone, then pretty quickly the only people left are the ones who haven't done anything to even briefly offend anyone.

"That guy killed my untanked Iteron full of compressed Crokite and A-type loot, AND HE ENJOYED IT! ban him!"

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#54 - 2014-03-25 12:24:50 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Hands up everyone who can see a problem with demanding the CCP ban people on the basis of "They haven't broken any game rules, and they haven't broken any laws, but I find them personally distasteful"




Something something Mittens.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#55 - 2014-03-25 12:24:51 UTC
Erotica 1 and her band is responsible for luring people in the bonus round and torturing them for laughs, victims are responsible of being greedy and naive to some extend. They heve been both punished by spending time together and dealing in the process of being complete idiots. There is no winning side in this game.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Tuscor
13.
#56 - 2014-03-25 12:25:34 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Hands up everyone who can see a problem with demanding the CCP ban people on the basis of "They haven't broken any game rules, and they haven't broken any laws, but I find them personally distasteful"




... tentatively puts hand up ...

but I still want Erotica to stop, or for the rules to be changed to make that kind of behaviour against the rules.
Salvos Rhoska
#57 - 2014-03-25 12:26:00 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Listen, Sohkar is my Alliance.

He got what he deserved.

If I wasnt being restrained he'd have got more.

End of.


I can give you what you deserve.
Do you want it?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#58 - 2014-03-25 12:27:20 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Hands up everyone who can see a problem with demanding the CCP ban people on the basis of "They haven't broken any game rules, and they haven't broken any laws, but I find them personally distasteful"



'
THIS damn it is why you should permanently be on the CSM Big smile

"I don't like it, Ban/excommunicate/behead him" is an example of the rule of men, which is in every way inferior to the rule of LAW. As you can see by this thread, some people can't deal with things they dislike in an adult manner, it all becomes rage and 'someone should do something about that'.

Even still, the outrage would be fine if the game in question wasn't EVE Online which is made by CCP aka some viking dudes way up north who tattoo the words (in Old Norse) "be the villian" to the left ass cheek of each new hire.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2014-03-25 12:27:45 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
See, when I read the title, I thought it had to do with him jumping off the deep end, and telling us all that EVE is dying because of Dungeons and Dragons.

Now to read this newest offering.



If that's what you got from his posts you should train up reading comprehension a bit more
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#60 - 2014-03-25 12:29:00 UTC
Tuscor wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Tuscor wrote:
Just ban Erotica1. The community does not need poisonous twats like that - and I for one am happy for the sandbox and 'emergent gameplay' to take second seat to cleaning the community of such filth.


People talk about gays in very similar terms to the ones you have used in your post.

Come to that, so have insane monogonadal austrian dictators.



Sure, and for many years that was considered an acceptable way to treat/speak about homosexuals. That is thankfully changing.

But dont try and compare this to homophobia, or german dictators for god's sake! Discriminating and vilifying minority groups is not the same as disliking and calling for action against a bullying sociopath...


Can you give me a reliable method of distinguishing them that doesn't boil down to "stuff that you personally dislike"?

I find brussels sprouts disgusting; just the thought of them makes me heave a little. Can I petition to get someone banned because they post recipes for them in local?

If not, then you're saying that only the things you find disgusting are a problem. Things I find disgusting and things evengelical christians find disgusting are just fine, however. Am I right?

Far simpler for CCP to not try and be 400,000 people's mom and stay the hell out of our out of game activities, don't you think?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016