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Dev Blog: Reprocess all the things!

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CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2014-03-20 14:29:43 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
There are big changes coming to EVE Online in the summer expansion. One of the biggest changes will be to the way refining and reprocessing works and is calculated. There will be new formulas, new incentives to reprocess in outposts and POSes, and large changes to the ways mineral compression works. We are also improving the functionality of the reprocessing window.

CCP Ytterbium details all these changes in this new dev blog!

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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#2 - 2014-03-20 14:34:39 UTC
Big changes coming! Big smile

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Muscaat
EVE Markets
#3 - 2014-03-20 14:37:18 UTC
Any plans to undo the Extra Materials hack for T1 production at any point?
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-03-20 14:37:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Gilbaron
ohhhhh, that tickles my fancy.

edit: oh. ohhh. oh.

those are some MASSIVE changes that go in the right direction. well done CCP, well done.

brb, building rorquals
CCP Logibro
C C P
C C P Alliance
#5 - 2014-03-20 14:37:45 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Logibro
Dis gone be good. Seriously though industrialists everywhere rejoice.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#6 - 2014-03-20 14:38:53 UTC
[herf blerf] you're ruining everything [/herf blerf]

Redoing reprocessing has been needed for a while.

Now to think about the fallout and changes to tools.

Woo! CSM XI!

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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#7 - 2014-03-20 14:41:26 UTC
Muscaat wrote:
Any plans to undo the Extra Materials hack for T1 production at any point?


Getting closer to the point where we can remove that hack is one of the motivations for these changes, yes.

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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#8 - 2014-03-20 14:42:50 UTC
I am surprisingly okay with all of this.

I'll wait to see how the number changes play out, but overall, I like what I see in this devblog. Thanks, Ytterbium!

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-03-20 14:43:21 UTC
I'm not sure I like changing all instances of Refining to Reprocessing.

It doesn't make sense to reprocess un-processed ore and ice.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Bagehi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-03-20 14:46:16 UTC
BRB, going to buy a Rorqual now.
Djakku
U Subbed M8
#11 - 2014-03-20 14:47:02 UTC
RIP Stories of 'I repro'd my Machariel...' Sad
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#12 - 2014-03-20 14:47:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Dersen Lowery
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
I'm not sure I like changing all instances of Refining to Reprocessing.

It doesn't make sense to reprocess un-processed ore and ice.


Yeah, I'd say that anything having to do with raw materials should be Refining, and anything having to do with Scrapmetal Processing should be Reprocessing.

Other than that nit (and my reflexive aversion to insta-refining)? These look like an excellent set of changes.

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Max Goldwing
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-03-20 14:48:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Goldwing
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Player-built outposts are currently very biased regarding reprocessing. Minmatar outposts have a default 50% output and all others have 30%. Currently there is not much of a choice on that regard.

Hmm, minmatar default is 35% all others have no refining ability per default.
Minmatar can be upgraded to 50% although I guess few will have all 3 upgrades thats required to make it so.

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In the same vein, there is not so much of an incentive to upgrade an outpost for better reprocessing yields, since perfect reprocessing rates are so easily achieved.

You need to upgrade to 40% to get perfect refine.
CCP Ytterbium
C C P
C C P Alliance
#14 - 2014-03-20 14:50:04 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
I'm not sure I like changing all instances of Refining to Reprocessing.

It doesn't make sense to reprocess un-processed ore and ice.


Yeah, I'd say that anything having to do with raw materials should be Refining, and anything having to do with Scrapmetal Processing should be Reprocessing.

Other than that nit (and my reflexive aversion to insta-refining)? These look like an excellent set of changes.


Yes, that is one discussion we internally had as well. We tried to find a term that would encompess both reprocessing and refining, but with no avail.

The point of merging those two terms however is to make it clear it is the same process and station facility / service ( you can't reprocess both ores and materials at the same time at the moment, and both "reprocess" and "refining" are appearing under the Star Map under the "service" tab).
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-03-20 14:52:57 UTC
I might have missed it, but do starbase refining arrays now take skills into consideration?

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-03-20 14:55:19 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
I'm not sure I like changing all instances of Refining to Reprocessing.

It doesn't make sense to reprocess un-processed ore and ice.


Yeah, I'd say that anything having to do with raw materials should be Refining, and anything having to do with Scrapmetal Processing should be Reprocessing.

Other than that nit (and my reflexive aversion to insta-refining)? These look like an excellent set of changes.


Yes, that is one discussion we internally had as well. We tried to find a term that would encompess both reprocessing and refining, but with no avail.

The point of merging those two terms however is to make it clear it is the same process and station facility / service ( you can't reprocess both ores and materials at the same time at the moment, and both "reprocess" and "refining" are appearing under the Star Map under the "service" tab).

You could always make refining and reprocessing two unique services and not allow every station to do both.Twisted

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Darth Felin
Monkey Attack Squad
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2014-03-20 14:55:31 UTC
IMHO you should reimburse Refining and Refining Efficiency skills in that case as I trained them to reprocess my loot but know they are useless for it and it is seems they still will be needed for training of Scrapmetal Processing that make situation much worse.
Plug in Baby
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-03-20 14:55:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Plug in Baby
Am I correct in thinking the vast majority of lowsec Capital manufacture will essentially be stopped by this?

I'm interested to know what % of capitals produced are made from reprocessed ores, I can imagine its pretty massive.

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CCP Ytterbium
C C P
C C P Alliance
#19 - 2014-03-20 14:55:58 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
I might have missed it, but do starbase refining arrays now take skills into consideration?


Not for now, but they have been changed in such a way they give you 52 / 54% yield reprocess as if you had perfect skills, so that is a huge incentive to use them if you don't have all skills / implants trained. Ice will also be affected by it (no more 100% reprocess for ice in Starbase Reprocessing Arrays).

This may change later on though.
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#20 - 2014-03-20 14:57:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Dersen Lowery
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
The point of merging those two terms however is to make it clear it is the same process and station facility / service ( you can't reprocess both ores and materials at the same time at the moment, and both "reprocess" and "refining" are appearing under the Star Map under the "service" tab).


Is there any particular reason why two different processes with two different skill requirements should necessarily use the same service, besides inertia and fewer artist/developer hours?

[EDIT: Omnathious Deninard and I are obviously sharing a muse today.]

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