EVE General Discussion

It's just children who think their actions are better than others.

One involves imposing their desires on others.

The other involves providing necessary materials needed to build and craft the ships we all wish to fly.

They'll grow up some day, hopefully.

Honestly not sure they will.
But one can but hope I assume... oh well. Gankers will gank and miners will mine I assume. It would be a damn shame if all the indys went away from this game since then most would not be able to play. And I do find it quite ironic that some miners and indy's actually get killed with their own ships.
I mean I build Catalysts and most of the standard ganking fitting and sell it... so its likely that I have been killed by one of my own ships and guns.

I dont hate gankers, I do enjoy mining as much as I enjoy PvP that I have recently started doing.
As for a Gank-Proof High Sec... I hope that never comes. High sec is secure enough as it is. You cant attack someone and get away with it... people who want hi-sec to be a protected place where no PvP may occur can go to the rookie systems where you are not allowed to attack other players as I understand it.

If you misunderstood my post then I can summarize it.
Gankers stop claiming that you are good because you kills miners, Miners stop whining that hisec is not secure enough.
Everyone plays the game differently.
Miners are needed to make sure that ships and stuff gets made and gankers... well they don't fill any role that we need to have in the game other then to have fun which is also equally important.

Once more fly safe everyone and make sure to donate all your ISKis to the one and true god Zoidberg! (This is obviously a joke and not meant to offend anyone.)

This is a misconception.

Every miner and industrialist knows, you need demand for your minerals and products to be worth something.
Also, the less supply there is, the more ISK you get for your stuff.

So, stuff getting blown up is a good thing. Gankers blwoing miners up are 2 good things at once, they increase demand and lessen the supply.

It is just importand for every miner, that it is not his barge that gets ganked. How he manages to do that could vary wildly.
You could tank your barge heavily, fly a skiff or procurer, shield links on his orca boost, go to where less gankers are, pay for a mining permit (lol, who am I kidding...don´t do that).

And that is the thing, OP, I trust your word and your honor , especially if Malcolm has vouched for you.

However, it is the hundred other loud-mouthed bears that do not understand the purpose of the game, that spawn these endless threads.

It is not an issue of misunderstanding, it is an issue of pounding the same principles that were pounded into my head as a newbie, into your head as a newbie, and into the heads of hundreds of other players that have migrated from "Die, spawn with previous equipment, repeat...MMO's" that expect some sense of entitlement or hand-holding whenever someone violences a space ship in EvE Online.

Let's be honest with each other...it's ridiculous.

Guess what?

The bad guy ganking, scamming, awoxing ******* that types these forum posts is the same innocent newbie that had 20% of his profit scraped off the top of his ore-buyback program when he was still new to the game. The outcome of that did not end well for the scalper.

No, instead, I made off with his player base, his assets, his best friend, amongst other things.

But how is it I can grasp these things at a few weeks old, but other players cannot tank their barges, or simply buy a permit and keep themselves from being ganked after months, and in some cases, years?

Once that question can be answered, then you have the answer to why there will perpetually be a void and divide between carebear and ganker/PvPer.

It's as simple as that. A simple question. A simple answer. But some people are not willing to accept that answer, because they have migrated from a hundred different games where cause did not have effect. Where actions did not have lasting consequences.

Once you can solve that riddle, you have answered you question, much as the other individual who posted quite the opposite thread in General Discussion.

It is never a matter of hate. It is a matter of imposing someone's will onto another. It is a matter of balance. It is a matter of game mechanics. Some need changed, others need buffed.

EvE may be a lore driven storyline, but make no mistake of it's acronym. We are all competing. Some would say in intermet spaceships. But I would rather look at it as a mirror of the societies we live in.

Greed propels. Not happiness or "fun."

Hatred rallies. Not solidarity.

Experience teaches. Not advice and shared thought.

EvE is, and has been, a social experiment of astronomical proportions, make no mistake. And it will remain that way until CCP caves to the bear population, in search of sub numbers. And it has been a wonderful experiment, indeed. As it has shown the worst and the best in people. From myself stripping people of their belongings in the Bonus Round of Erotica 1's isk doubling business, because they cannot follow rules, or it be Sindel Pellion helping newbies with the Angel Project.

And it will be that way forever.

As Rust Cohle (the character) said in the final episode of this season of True Detective. It is the oldest story of all. Light versus dark. Good versus evil.

And hatred, on either side, will never stop it. Only realization that this is a game, comprised of pixels will stop this endless war. Once every bot-aspirant is gone, will it be over.

Because ask yourself...are we really the bad guys? Or are we the bad guys who merely exist to make sure other bad guys do not take over our internet universe? Devolve it into a Trammelized version of what we once knew?

As I said before, and as it still stands, hatred is futile. We should be applauding the other communities for giving us content.

Gankers give miners goals. Always another mining ship to be bought.

Miners give gankers goals. Always another target to be shot.

'Tis the way of things. And it is this way because CCP made the rules this way. Not gankers, miners, null poilitcos, or anyone else. Just CCP. So suppress your futility. Use it when it is needed. Because this is the oldest story. Good guys versus the bad guys. And it is seen that way on both sides. A never-ending struggle. And certainly not something to add to the 3-4 existing threads on the subject in GD.

Just saying.

I've never ganked anyone but use hauling services often. No gankers means no pushx and no red frog. Everyone would haul their stuff themselves if it wasn't for these brave man in high dps trash fits.

Miners would also see a minor decline in overall profits. There's too many of them and they are too robust for the ganking to have significant impact but it is there.

Products destroyed in ganking attempt (both the aggressor's and the victim's) are lost, and leave the economy. It both creates a material sink and sometimes isk sink (when the items destroyed were bought from LP stores and will most likely be replaced).

So, overall, I think ganking created at least 1 profession, balanced the economy a bit, and serves as material/isk sink. They are, imo, only good for economy, if indeed significant. How much they destroy/generate exactly - no idea.

People are pissed about gankers cause they want to come home and have a quiet evening instead of game of cat and mouse. I understand them, because so do I sometimes, but it is how it is. Gankers are a gain.

Hate is a strong word. I have no respect for them because they bypass the normal game mechanics for easy skillless kills that mean nothing but cause a lot of annoyance and cause people to quit EvE.

There are means and methods in EvE, (war decs, low sec, wormholes, null sec, kill rights, concord) that they have found a method to ignore, bypass or otherwise game.

Its the equivalent of stealing monopoly money to win in a game of monopoly.

The difference being that in Eve, unlike Monopoly, people are allowed to steal money and property from others, because it's within the rules of the game.

The attitude of the gankers who ridicule, within the context and rules of the game, those who take their internet spaceship pixels entirely too seriously?

Or the attitude of some of their victims who take it outside of the context and rules of the game. The one that throw homophobic insults, wish disease and misfortune on peoples families, make real life threats, send people pictures of their houses along with threats via email, all because they lost some internet spaceship pixels or can't play Eve as a single player game?

The people that condone the latter are just as bad. Carrying ingame grievances over into the real world is unacceptable.

The former group, the gankers, are likely to buy their victims a beer and have a civil conversation if they meet them in real life. The latter group, those who take their ingame grievances into the real world, would probably be more likely to spit in the gankers face or attempt to physically harm them, because it appears that they cannot separate reality from fantasy.

I hate gankers because they are too chicken **** to fight a ship that can fight back