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Faction Warfare: Moving Forward.....

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#621 - 2011-11-26 14:09:43 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Everyone, please speak out in opposition to the CSM's handling of our discussion here.

Apparently, we are a "little thing" to be tacked onto a discussion about wormholes. If I am mistaken about the CSM's attitude about us, than I hope they clarify.

I won't say much more than that, I'm pretty upset at the moment. But please, focus your efforts on asking the CSM to make Faction Warfare a seperate and focused discussion, not a tacked on accessory to a thread about something else. Their handling of the topic belittlles our cause, and will not give it the gravitas necessary to convince CCP that is important enough to be talked about on its own merits once again.

Also, please do NOT fill this thread with a list of fixes. That work has already been done. If the CSM hasn't read the thread I am posting with, there's no point wasting your keystrokes repeating yourselves there.

What we need to do now is rally and convince the CSM to seperate FW from wormholes, and give the subject its own discussion.

Thank you all for your support.


Hans I posted a longer version in that thread.

Fact is no one on the csm proper does small scale pvp. That is because ccp has always done things to encourage blobbing and those who like small scale pvp tend to leave. Sure lots of people claim to like it. But really they just want the other side to be smaller scale than them.

Now its all people who are willing to spend all day waiting to gank pve ships and players willing to spend their lives playing eve in order to be the next bob. CSM proves that there just aren't many people who like small scale pvp.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Shalee Lianne
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#622 - 2011-11-28 08:11:40 UTC
I've done a short Q&A with Hans on Sov Wars here.
http://amarrian.blogspot.com/  ~ Roleplay blog. http://sovereigntywars.wordpress.com/ ~ Faction War blog.
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#623 - 2011-11-28 09:18:58 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
...Militia pilots have a great sense of sportsmanship (most of the time), and we’ve all gotten to know our enemies and formed rivalries and grudges, which all makes for great fun...

Quoted from above linked interview because its true Big smile

Annoying part for me is that the CSM even though most if not all ran on platforms with FW high on their lists, now come forward and admit to knowing nothing about it at all and thinking that all it needs are a few tweaks here and there.
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#624 - 2011-11-28 10:46:55 UTC
Pulgy wrote:
[Anyway. I agree FW needs new blood. Whenever one corp leaves FW we all feel it.


QFT. Even when active individuals leave, it is felt by the entire warzone.

The best thing about FW is that its a rivalry. It's like UCLA vs. USC. Or a more general comparison, the USA vs. USSR during the Cold War.

There is a lot of history in Faction Warfare. NullSec is always shifting and changing, but FW is solid and consistent.

my2cents

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#625 - 2011-11-28 16:38:48 UTC
For reference:

Crucible Patch Notes wrote:
Fixed an issue where Factional Warfare systems would run out of combat sites. ‘Outpost’ sites of all sizes will now respawn every 30 minutes in all Factional Warfare systems.


Not enough, but a start I hope...
Wendi Wu
Curiously Incompetent
#626 - 2011-11-28 16:43:37 UTC
From today's patch notes, which can be found here:

Quote:
Exploration and Deadspace

Fixed an issue where Factional Warfare systems would run out of combat sites. ‘Outpost’ sites of all sizes will now respawn every 30 minutes in all Factional Warfare systems.


We'll have to wait to see how this works in practice, but if this is what it sounds like it's awesome! At last we're getting something, even if it's only a start! Big smile
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#627 - 2011-11-28 17:04:06 UTC
The fixing on the respawn timers is AWESOME. Thanks to all at CCP who listened to the players, this should give everyone more stuff to do around the clock when they log in.

An excellent starting point, here's hoping there's more to come in the pipeline....

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#628 - 2011-11-28 17:08:56 UTC
Wendi Wu wrote:
From today's patch notes, which can be found here:

Quote:
Exploration and Deadspace

Fixed an issue where Factional Warfare systems would run out of combat sites. ‘Outpost’ sites of all sizes will now respawn every 30 minutes in all Factional Warfare systems.


We'll have to wait to see how this works in practice, but if this is what it sounds like it's awesome! At last we're getting something, even if it's only a start! Big smile



This is the one thing about plexing that all the players have indeed agreed on. This does indeed show that CCP is reading and trying to do what we ask. (to the very limitted extent we have a unified voice.)

I don't think we will get 10s of thousands more doing plexing with this change but we shall see.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Yogsoloth
Fliet Pizza Delivery
Of Essence
#629 - 2011-11-28 21:45:34 UTC
Hooray for being forgotten ! \o/
Damassys Kadesh
Royal Khanid Hunting Society
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#630 - 2011-11-29 01:07:57 UTC
Are those the medium plexes only?

Sourem Itharen > Congratulations Lady Kadesh, you have been selected by trial of fire and blood, under the watchful eyes of God, to represent Lord Khanid as his champion in the Imperial Succession trials -YC117
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#631 - 2011-11-29 01:12:17 UTC
Some official response from CCP over what is next for FW is definately needed. Whilst this is of course welcome, it is a long way short of what FW needs to truely shine...
Now - who wants to go kite some supers in Amamake using BC hulls with BS weapons???
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#632 - 2011-11-29 04:09:57 UTC
I've created a post about how we are going to engage with CSM/CCP post crucile that can be found here.

Please continue to use this thread around improvement ideas - the other thread is to address the lack for CSM/CCP understanding/interaction with the FW community...
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#633 - 2011-11-29 04:21:41 UTC
Har Harrison wrote:
I've created a post about how we are going to engage with CSM/CCP post crucile that can be found here.

Please continue to use this thread around improvement ideas - the other thread is to address the lack for CSM/CCP understanding/interaction with the FW community...



Please no more threads covering the same ground.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Templar Dane
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#634 - 2011-11-29 06:40:12 UTC
Insomnia strikes, and so do I!
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#635 - 2011-11-29 06:45:02 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Har Harrison wrote:
I've created a post about how we are going to engage with CSM/CCP post crucile that can be found here.

Please continue to use this thread around improvement ideas - the other thread is to address the lack for CSM/CCP understanding/interaction with the FW community...



Please no more threads covering the same ground.

Which part of I am intending the new thread to focus on engaging with CCP/CSM post Crucible and to discuss getting a FW CSM representative do I need to explain. This isn't the same ground. The same ground would be discussing the broken features...
Faction Warfare
Doomheim
#636 - 2011-11-29 07:07:28 UTC
Posting in a thread entirely dedicated to me.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#637 - 2011-11-29 20:43:10 UTC
Har Harrison wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Har Harrison wrote:
I've created a post about how we are going to engage with CSM/CCP post crucile that can be found here.

Please continue to use this thread around improvement ideas - the other thread is to address the lack for CSM/CCP understanding/interaction with the FW community...



Please no more threads covering the same ground.

Which part of I am intending the new thread to focus on engaging with CCP/CSM post Crucible and to discuss getting a FW CSM representative do I need to explain. This isn't the same ground. The same ground would be discussing the broken features...



I guess that first half of your original post were you start listing things we want changed seemed pretty similar to this one. Of course, there are already the 2 threads where the csm members have been posting. You know one thread was actually started by a csm for that purpose.

Its unclear why we would need a different thread to discuss this with them to begin with - I mean we are just posting links to this thread in those.

So what exactly is the point of yet another thread? This just makes it hard for the csm ccp or the players to follow.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#638 - 2011-11-29 20:47:49 UTC
Faction Warfare wrote:
Posting in a thread entirely dedicated to me.


Well, hello there! Nice to finally meet you. I'm a huge fan of yours, obviously. Too bad you don't get much respect.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Astra Solare
Ophidia in herba
#639 - 2011-11-29 21:13:40 UTC
Faction Warfare wrote:
Posting in a thread entirely dedicated to me.


There are rumors that there were many people IN You. Is that true? Twisted
You could be a little more responsible Blink
Damassys Kadesh
Royal Khanid Hunting Society
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#640 - 2011-11-30 11:25:30 UTC
So what are the feelings on the plex respawn tweak?

From playing today, there is definitely a surge in activity overall, which is the positive point. But obviously there is a lot of steamrolling going on because of how fast you can flip a system.

Do you think the activity will be short-lived because occupancy is even LESS meaningful (because of it's ease)? Or do you think the abundance of plexes will keep drawing more people out than before?

Sadly, I think it's likely that interest will diminish rapidly. But at the very minimum, we'll have the short surge of activity, and with luck, they will actually work on an overhaul.

Sourem Itharen > Congratulations Lady Kadesh, you have been selected by trial of fire and blood, under the watchful eyes of God, to represent Lord Khanid as his champion in the Imperial Succession trials -YC117