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Why dont we use the cloud?

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#81 - 2014-03-05 19:44:11 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Vyl Vit wrote:
Can we run with DX 11 yet?

No, it's far too sharp. Just take your time and walk with it.


I hate that you beat me to this.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Darth Skorpius
352 Industries
#82 - 2014-03-05 19:47:15 UTC
I have a better idea. Lets run Tranquility on the Titan Supercomputer and then we can have 10k vs 10k battles with no TiDi
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#83 - 2014-03-05 20:04:13 UTC
I'm sure CCP could viably move the entire TQ infrastructure to AWS or some other cloud service

I'm sure that'd also result in subscription prices doubling

Oh and I'm also sure that it wouldn't be of any benefit at all

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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#84 - 2014-03-05 20:06:19 UTC
The Cloud is a hacker's wet dream come true. All that information, being stored together in fewer places rather than on millions and millions of personal hard drives, would make them tastier places to attempt to hack than attacking people individually. You better hope your cloud service isn't lazy about security, or have people they can really, really trust. And that's not even taking into consideration what Governments would love to do with all that Cloud information.
Maxxor Brutor
Borderline Procurements
#85 - 2014-03-05 20:09:04 UTC
I'm not sure CCP has enough multimedia in their MMX for the cloud.
Winterblink
#86 - 2014-03-05 20:09:48 UTC
I Love Boobies wrote:
The Cloud is a hacker's wet dream come true. All that information, being stored together in fewer places rather than on millions and millions of personal hard drives, would make them tastier places to attempt to hack than attacking people individually. You better hope your cloud service isn't lazy about security, or have people they can really, really trust. And that's not even taking into consideration what Governments would love to do with all that Cloud information.

As a preemptive strike against anyone claiming that governments wouldn't be interested in what goes on in an MMO, I present the following:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/12/09/new-snowden-leak-reveals-the-nsa-planted-agents-inside-world-of-warcraft/
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#87 - 2014-03-05 20:16:24 UTC
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
distributed databases exist, right? in ur scenario its like u use more utility companies for more water
OK, I'm calling it now, you are just trolling.
You've literlly just skipped past the post explaining exactly why what you are stating is impossible and just carried on commenting to the next post. Why don't you go back and reread this post, then understand that you have no clue what you are talking about and request a thread closure. What you are asking for is impossible. The end.

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Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#88 - 2014-03-05 20:26:39 UTC
Bagehi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#89 - 2014-03-05 20:27:27 UTC
"The Cloud" is a buzzword for storing files on an internet server rather than (or as well as) storing them locally.

Cloud computing usually use hardware designed for storing and sharing data. Eve needs hardware designed for heavy computations. To see what this means, the most powerful cloud server CPU that Amazon runs is the 2.8 GHz Intel Xeon E5-2680v2. The slowest nodes in Eve are running on 3.3 GHz Xeon processors (I think those are Sandy Bridge?). There are some nodes on newer, faster hardware, such as Jita. Then there are the reinforced nodes running are top shelf Xeons which are overclocked to speeds that CCP hardware engineers call "fast" with a wink and a nudge. Per-core processing power on Tranquility is dramatically faster than the best Amazon offers.

Eve's physics calculations cannot be spread to multiple cores, let alone to multiple processors currently (latency among other things), so you are limited to the processing power of a core on the processor the node is being hosted on. So, in short, Eve on the best hardware Amazon sells would fall dramatically short of the performance we are currently getting from the Eve server. It is a matter of performance or quantity. Eve constantly pushes some of the fastest, most powerful processors available on the market to the limit.

As for DDOS... Amazon's method for dealing with a DDOS is distributed services. So, assuming we'd be okay with the degraded performance of Amazon's cloud service, what would happen each time someone hit the Eve cluster with a DDOS is the server would start up on another server at the last mirror. So, let's say it mirrors every 10 minutes (I haven't the foggiest clue how often it mirrors, but it will be measured in minutes), if a fight happens and the cluster dumps, you would be able to rewind time for Eve up to 10 minutes. This is acceptable for websites, horrible for a MMO.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#90 - 2014-03-05 20:43:39 UTC
Darth Skorpius wrote:
I have a better idea. Lets run Tranquility on the Titan Supercomputer and then we can have 10k vs 10k battles with no TiDi


Clearly you have not read the thread, or you would see my post about why this will not help either. And TQ is already a supercomputer.

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Praetor Meles
Black Mount Industrial
Breakpoint.
#91 - 2014-03-05 20:47:23 UTC


It is a source of some regret that I can only like this once.

Although it's not IT, I work in a highly technical profession - conversations like this one are sadly frequent, and next time I know I'll have this in my head!

[insert random rubbish that irritates you personally] is further evidence that Eve is dying/thriving*

  • delete as required to make your point
KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2014-03-05 20:50:24 UTC
The cloud is toxic.

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Tesco Ergo Sum
#93 - 2014-03-05 20:54:12 UTC
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
Its what the cloud is for extendible and lots of computing power to adapt to both low and high load and THWART DDOSers! as much as we joke about 'the hamsters' its wrong to not use 21st centry tech to solve problems for thousand of players? just look at the forums and u can see theres a problem.
things like Jita might be solve by getting bigger computers but what of multiple fleet battles and MORE SYSTEMS? cloud is the future but it seems the ignored by ccp. why?


This is why:

http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/02/stephen-colberts-solution-for-online-privacy-part-cloud-part/
Hallvardr
#94 - 2014-03-05 21:19:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Hallvardr
and why does everyone keep mentioning data hacking ?? DDoS = distributed denial of service ... meaning it prevents ANYONE from reaching or accessing that service..

and .. +1 to all those who've made the point that the cloud is a marketing buzz word that is nothing more than an ideology of utilizing storage or services accessed via the internet or intranet.

Hell .. Western Digital IIRC is now marketing a "personal cloud" that I have not looked at but suspect is a HDD that is on your home LAN and accessible via the internet via some client software .. you are your own cloud .. prepared to be DDoS'd !
Ribor
United Caldari Navy
United Caldari Space Command.
#95 - 2014-03-05 21:30:29 UTC
wrote:

Hell .. Western Digital IIRC is now marketing a "personal cloud" that I have not looked at but suspect is a HDD that is on your home LAN and accessible via the internet via some client software .. you are your own cloud .. prepared to be DDoS'd !


The "personal cloud" is hilarious to me in ways I don't fully understand. Just like this entire thread.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#96 - 2014-03-05 21:35:04 UTC
Hallvardr wrote:
Hell .. Western Digital IIRC is now marketing a "personal cloud" that I have not looked at but suspect is a HDD that is on your home LAN and accessible via the internet via some client software .. you are your own cloud .. prepared to be DDoS'd !

It's so much more punter-friendly than WAN-NAS, don't you think? P
Hallvardr
#97 - 2014-03-05 21:48:30 UTC
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t's so much more punter-friendly than WAN-NAS, don't you think?


two words .. Market Buzz Word .. ok maybe like three words .. but yea .. much friendlier sounding and something a much wider selection of the populous will comprehend.
Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#98 - 2014-03-05 22:28:58 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
distributed databases exist, right? in ur scenario its like u use more utility companies for more water
OK, I'm calling it now, you are just trolling.
You've literlly just skipped past the post explaining exactly why what you are stating is impossible and just carried on commenting to the next post. Why don't you go back and reread this post, then understand that you have no clue what you are talking about and request a thread closure. What you are asking for is impossible. The end.

holy **** calm down, dude, i read it and i get how it works and yes thats why you cant just put TQ as it is now, on the cloud but with real good code and planing ((eg localise procesing to minmize hi latency/bandwith stuff)) it CAN WORK. they're is no reason to flip out and call discusion over because someone cant reply to evry single post. geez


i dont get it...... what dose a guy disrupting a good argument with farm and poop jokes have related with this thread?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#99 - 2014-03-05 22:38:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
i read it and i get how it works and yes thats why you cant just put TQ as it is now, on the cloud but with real good code and planing ((eg localise procesing to minmize hi latency/bandwith stuff)) it CAN WORK.
Then you don't get it. Hell, you don't even get EVE, much less “the cloud” if you think so.

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what dose a guy disrupting a good argument with farm and poop jokes have related with this thread?
Everything. Oh, and that's not what the video shows, but since you didn't get it, that's kind of to be expected…
Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#100 - 2014-03-05 22:40:18 UTC
i get the cloud alright its relevent to my job Roll what qualification do u have? i know everyone on the internet is a "expert" in stuff but srsly?