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Why dont we use the cloud?

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Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-03-05 16:22:56 UTC
Its what the cloud is for extendible and lots of computing power to adapt to both low and high load and THWART DDOSers! as much as we joke about 'the hamsters' its wrong to not use 21st centry tech to solve problems for thousand of players? just look at the forums and u can see theres a problem.
things like Jita might be solve by getting bigger computers but what of multiple fleet battles and MORE SYSTEMS? cloud is the future but it seems the ignored by ccp. why?
Pix Severus
Empty You
#2 - 2014-03-05 16:25:38 UTC
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
cloud is the future but it seems the ignored by ccp. why?


Because it isn't the future, or at least not any future I want to be a part of.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3 - 2014-03-05 16:28:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
…and what is it you think that “the cloud” will be able to do?
If you think it'll help against DDoSes, maybe you should look up the successful attacks made against high-profile cloud services.
Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-03-05 16:32:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Aih-Li Tahn
Tippia wrote:
…and what is it you think that “the cloud” will be able to do?
If you think it'll help against DDoSes, maybe you should look up the successful attacks made against high-profile cloud services.

ofc DDOS will always be possible but amazon was dealed how many DDOSs that actually had an affect, compared to CCP? amazon is drawing much much more attention and id expect it to be bigger "target" than CCP, yet it has less problems.




edit: you edited ur post, very consructive Roll
Commissar Kate
NulzSec
#5 - 2014-03-05 16:33:07 UTC
Sigh, that would cause even more lag. There is this thing called latency you know? Not to mention all the extra security concerns.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#6 - 2014-03-05 16:36:31 UTC
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
ofc DDOS will always be possible but amazon was dealed how many DDOSs that actually had an affect, compared to CCP?
Amazon is also not a real-time service.

So again, what is it you think that “the cloud” will be able to do?
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-03-05 16:42:43 UTC
"We" don't use Cloud because we understand how the internet functions. Conversely, you think Cloud is a good idea because you don't know how the internet functions. Let me guess....you have a Facebook page and you Twitter as well. Ugh

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.

Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-03-05 16:43:58 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
ofc DDOS will always be possible but amazon was dealed how many DDOSs that actually had an affect, compared to CCP?
Amazon is also not a real-time service.

So again, what is it you think that “the cloud” will be able to do?

amazon doesnt run at a 1 hz rate either
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#9 - 2014-03-05 16:44:04 UTC
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…and what is it you think that “the cloud” will be able to do?
If you think it'll help against DDoSes, maybe you should look up the successful attacks made against high-profile cloud services.

ofc DDOS will always be possible but amazon was dealed how many DDOSs that actually had an affect, compared to CCP? amazon is drawing much much more attention and id expect it to be bigger "target" than CCP, yet it has less problems.

edit: you edited ur post, very consructive Roll
Amazon don;t actually run a game. When you browse their site you are downloading considerably less data. With CDNs load is further distributed out to other providers making a DDOS attempt considerably harder.

Distributing any MMO over a network structure like that would take considerably more power, and in the case of EVE (being single threaded) would be near impossible. Also, since generally there are separate authentication nodes to server nodes, a DDOS to those would prevent you being able to auth and so stop you connecting to the game anyway. MMOs are reliant on constant network infrastructure, so intermittent outages caused by DDOS attacks stop the game. Intermittent outages on amazon however are just a minor inconvenience.

The long and short of it is that no amount of "use the cloud" is going to make a game server immune to a DDOS. If the attackers are determined, they will kill it. CCP should (and afaik do) respond by bringing the server offline, working with their network providers to track the attack and block it off before restoring the server. But even then, if the attackers are determined, they will hit again.

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Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-03-05 16:44:58 UTC
Pok Nibin wrote:
Let me guess....you have a Facebook page and you Twitter as well. Ugh

what do those have anything to do with it? and what if i do? its not like im trying to get u to read them Roll
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#11 - 2014-03-05 16:46:26 UTC
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
amazon doesnt run at a 1 hz rate either
…because it's not a real-time service, so it can survive running at .01 Hz.

You're still avoiding the question, by the way.
Real Serious PVPer
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-03-05 16:46:29 UTC
In space, there are no clouds, just pvp

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Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-03-05 16:47:25 UTC
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
Pok Nibin wrote:
Let me guess....you have a Facebook page and you Twitter as well. Ugh

what do those have anything to do with it? and what if i do? its not like im trying to get u to read them Roll

Google the word "dense", then have a quiet moment of thought with yourself.

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#14 - 2014-03-05 16:50:25 UTC  |  Edited by: DaReaper
You do realize that all the cloud is the internet right? When they say 'store data on the cloud' all it means is data stored remotely, there is still a server holding all your data that can still be DDoS'd. EvE is already on the cloud. You don;t install it and play it just on your pc, all your data and game data is stored on a remote server you reach via the internet... so.. you want to make it so to play you have to connect tot he client on a remote server? Because that is ALL that the cloud is. What you are basically saying is 'lets play eve as it is..' because eve is on the cloud already.

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Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2014-03-05 16:55:11 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
amazon doesnt run at a 1 hz rate either
…because it's not a real-time service, so it can survive running at .01 Hz.

You're still avoiding the question, by the way.

your saying Amazon takes 100 seconds to make a webpage? wtf? i dont even get what ur trying to say anymore
Vyl Vit
#16 - 2014-03-05 16:56:52 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
You do realize that all the cloud is the internet right? When they say 'store data on the cloud' all it means is data stored remotely, there is still a server holding all your data that can still be DDoS'd. EvE is already on the cloud. You don;t install it and play it just on your pc, all your data and game data is stored on a remote server you reach via the internet... so.. you want to make it so to play you have to connect tot he client on a remote server? Because that is ALL that the cloud is. What you are basically saying is 'lets play eve as it is..' because eve is on the cloud already.


Um...I appreciate the thought here, but I'm afraid this may be beyond the OP's ability to comprehend.

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Batelle
Filthy Peasants
#17 - 2014-03-05 16:57:15 UTC
the cloud is not filled with magic fairy dust that will solve all the worlds problems.

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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2014-03-05 16:59:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
amazon doesnt run at a 1 hz rate either
…because it's not a real-time service, so it can survive running at .01 Hz.

You're still avoiding the question, by the way.

your saying Amazon takes 100 seconds to make a webpage? wtf? i dont even get what ur trying to say anymore


That right there tells me you know nothing about what a cloud service actually is.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#19 - 2014-03-05 17:01:20 UTC
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
your saying Amazon takes 100 seconds to make a webpage? wtf? i dont even get what ur trying to say anymore
Try reading, preferably without skipping words. Or entire questions.

Yes, between waiting for the page to load, the user looking through the page and finding the information they need, and general net congestion, Amazon can survive while delivering pages at .01 Hz.

What is it you think that “the cloud” will be able to do for us?
Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2014-03-05 17:02:48 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:
your saying Amazon takes 100 seconds to make a webpage? wtf? i dont even get what ur trying to say anymore
Try reading, preferably without skipping words. Or entire questions.

Yes, between waiting for the page to load, the user looking through the page and finding the information they need, and general net congestion, Amazon can survive while delivering pages at .01 Hz.

What is it you think that “the cloud” will be able to do for us?

thats in the OP, maybe u should read urself Roll
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