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Did CCP make a mistake?

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AnotherUseless Alt
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-03-03 22:31:18 UTC
By allowing character trade?

Think about it, if it weren't for character trading, would we really have the proliferation of Supers/Titans? The training time is long, many people are never willing to spend the time on it, but people are always willing to buy such characters. If there were no market for them, would so many have been trained up?
Would there be huge fleets of ISBoxer alts if people had to train each character themselves?
Would there be big blue doughnuts in 0.0 if Alliances couldn't just go out and buy all the alts they needed?

Really too late to do anything about it at this point, but I wonder how the game would have progressed if PTW wasn't a reality.

"Self help is all in your head"

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2 - 2014-03-03 22:34:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Every business makes mistakes but I don't personally see character trading as one of them for CCP.

Hypotheticals play out in our heads under the influence of our own bias, so I don't think it's worth expanding on what I think would happen, because that will just be one of an infinite number of possible scenarios we will never actually know.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3 - 2014-03-03 22:38:33 UTC
None of those seem particularly connected with character trading.
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
#4 - 2014-03-03 22:38:40 UTC
Black market account selling would be huge, and the only people who would get an advantage would be people willing to pay for accounts with real money from 3rd party sites.

If this wasn't a factor than Eve would probably be better off without character trading, but as we know (from looking at other MMOs), the system we have here is much much more favorable and fair to players who don't partake in out of game currency transactions.

PLEX is the same story.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#5 - 2014-03-03 23:19:56 UTC
Let's not forget the transfer fee. I think CCP is happy with that.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.

Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#6 - 2014-03-03 23:57:23 UTC
CCP made a mistake with teleportation around the map. Other errors seem trivial imho...

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#7 - 2014-03-03 23:57:37 UTC
CCP has made many many mistakes...unfortunately OP hasn't touched on a single one.





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45thtiger 0109
Angry Miners Alliance.
#8 - 2014-03-04 00:24:20 UTC
CCP has made many many mistakes over the years but haven't we all made mistakes in game and in real life as well.

So please op get over it.

And this is a sand box game.

And by the way I am still training my character which I am happy with since I started playing EvE Big smile

So there is no need for me to sell this Character Big smile

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-03-04 00:33:38 UTC
Nullsec entities prepared to send hundreds of billions of ISK on supers and caps would be quite happy if need be to PLEX as many characters to train the skill as they need. The bazaar means players can make a living training hauling and PI and cyno and cap alts for other people. If the bazaar did not exist the big alliances would just do it in house anyway.

The only downside I can see to the character bazaar is it rains on the parade for people that want to somehow feel "elite and special" becasue of the SP they have accrued. Obsession with accumulating and micromanaging SP is a bad thing. Actually playing the game is a good thing.
stoicfaux
#10 - 2014-03-04 01:04:31 UTC
If it didn't kill you, it's not a mistake.

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Alice Ituin
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-03-04 02:28:16 UTC
In a perfect world it would be a mistake, yes.
However the world isn't perfect and people would trade characters regardless of it being allowed or not.
By allowing it through the bazaar CCP has at least some control over the terms at which character trading happens and even makes a small profit from it.
Thead Enco
HR..
#12 - 2014-03-04 02:32:42 UTC
AnotherUseless Alt wrote:
By allowing character trade?

Think about it, if it weren't for character trading, would we really have the proliferation of Supers/Titans? The training time is long, many people are never willing to spend the time on it, but people are always willing to buy such characters. If there were no market for them, would so many have been trained up?
Would there be huge fleets of ISBoxer alts if people had to train each character themselves?
Would there be big blue doughnuts in 0.0 if Alliances couldn't just go out and buy all the alts they needed?

Really too late to do anything about it at this point, but I wonder how the game would have progressed if PTW wasn't a reality.



Are you taking your que's from "Blizzard" now?
Thur Barbek
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-03-04 03:40:49 UTC
OP's name really says it all.
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#14 - 2014-03-04 04:08:09 UTC
I know a number of people that home grow alts just to sale for the isk, some specialized characters go for more isk than some that have a wide spread of skills as the buyer will claim wasted sp.

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

Diamond Zerg
Taking Solo Away.
#15 - 2014-03-04 04:41:42 UTC
Character trading is awesome.

However, as to your question, why not just nerf/remove supercarriers/titans?
Hi.
Lord Jita
Lord Jita's Big Gay Corp
#16 - 2014-03-04 04:42:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Jita
If they didn't allow it legally, there would just be a black market for it. This way at least they make some money off it. So no, they did not make a mistake, they monetized something that would have happened with or without their blessing. Smart move.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#17 - 2014-03-04 04:50:37 UTC
its better that CCP allows a secure avenue for it to happen legitimately. CCP profits from doing so, and customers don't have to bend the rules or risk getting scammed just to compete. Its a win-win, even if its also a necessary evil.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2014-03-04 11:37:17 UTC
Lord Jita wrote:
If they didn't allow it legally, there would just be a black market for it.

I seriously doubt that.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#19 - 2014-03-04 12:17:27 UTC
Every character sold is the equivalent of 2 months gametime paid on top of the already paid gametime for training the character. So no, I don't think CCP made a mistake by making more money. If they didn't allow trade people wouldn't just go "oh no! no titans!", they would simply train more up.

Most isboxer alts take very little training. A mining fleet can be operational in 8 days, and can earn their plex while training, so people who go out buying isboxer miners are pretty dense. Isboxing gankers are better, they actually shouldn't train too much, otherwise clone costs can become an issue. PVE isboxers again, short train to become operational and pay for themselves. Character sales just pay CCP to let someone else do your leveling up.

By the way, it's not even remotely PTW. There are a lot of people that could take a 2 day old frigate alt and demolish most people in combat. The big blue doughnut is a result of people being too risk averse to fight back. In any game that allows cooperation, the bigger group is going to have an easier time. So instead of armchair critiquing the game from the safety of a high sec station, you complainers should actually learn how to fight back. The vast majority of the game's population is not part of the doughnut you complain about, so it's not like you are short of recruits.

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#20 - 2014-03-04 12:20:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Ptraci
AnotherUseless Alt wrote:
By allowing character trade?

Think about it, if it weren't for character trading, would we really have the proliferation of Supers/Titans?


Maybe CCP are realists. What is the difference between a character I trade to you via an official trade and a character I sell you on e-bay by simply providing the log in/password information?

The difference is $20 to CCP. That's kind of smart.

Just like PLEX. CCP cash in real money on players' desires to circumvent game mechanics. Making it legal means no black market. CCP are smart enough to know that character trade (and ISK trade) are going to happen one way or another. Either way it makes your argument invalid, because all those titan toons would appear anyway.
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