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Citrute
The High and Mighty
Carebear Abortion Clinic
#41 - 2014-02-28 19:46:26 UTC
Being relatively new to wormhole space, I understand how it may seem stale, but for me, the meta of wh brawls is still fresh and exciting. While they may look the same on the surface, i've yet to be in a fight where it played out the same.

Bane Nucleus wrote:
wh space gives us access to all kinds of space. This allows us to have fun in high/low/null if we want. To limit ourselves to one small spot in Eve to pvp, when you have such access is foolish, at best.



I'd just like to mention how nice it is to not have to do that 80 jump blue doughnut roam to find targets. I would encourage anyone that feels their area of k space is getting stale to give wh's a shot, The ability to be nowhere and anywhere at the same time will probably keep things fresh for me for quite some time.


v0v, maybe i'll get bitter soon, but for now I wouldn't want it any other way.
Sandslinger
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-03-01 20:59:37 UTC
A wise man once said to me

If you're bored, you are boring Cool

The meta of wormholes has changed plenty, some are running the same old fits and comps and some have adapted.



corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2014-03-02 10:02:33 UTC
Joan Greywind wrote:
Sandslinger wrote:
A wise man once said to me

If you're bored, you are boring Cool

The meta of wormholes has changed plenty, some are running the same old fits and comps and some have adapted.





If you don't have enough toys to play with you will eventually get bored, no matter how imaginative you are. If a lot of the compentent people are looking for greener pastures, then maybe we have to start thinking there is a problem.

Could you link me some of those battle reports? I might be bad at looking for things like that, but I still can't find the "different comps or fits" you are talking about. And yea changing a a mid slot on a legion from a web to a damp should not count as "different comp", but even then we do much less of that than in any other parts of EVE.



Tbh changing 1 or 2 mods can make a huge difference to fleet comp look at the "wrecking ball" that was just a slow cat fleet with all reps moved to super carriers and range mods added to archons high slot

I wouldnt say wh fleet comps have changed hugely fast but there has been a fair bit of change.

going back to the rnk, aharm era a standard fleet was archon bhaals and prots with maybe a few lokis for webs. When the moros had its bonuses changed and t2 seige was put in at same time, blap dreads entered the field fleet comps switched to dread neut legions web lokis and prots supported by guardains. Ecmgu's started appearing to counter the webs

Damps are now used alot more.

It used to be if you had a legion it would be lasers and thats it, now nuet legions are a commen sight and several groups are using ham legions as a staple in fleet comps

with the change to hybrids alot of groups have swapped to rail prots (again not a huge change)

You will often see cap guards which you didnt before

Certain groups have there own fleet for some stuff. TLC's pantheon fleet being one that takes huge advantage of cata effect.

couple groups are using gila's alot, rumour has it banes pod refused to go in any other ship than a gila.

Yeah some groups are still using the old fits from aharm, rnk era I'd say most have moved on and adapted ewar is far more prevelent than it used to be. I've lost track of the amount of times our lokis have had there fits changed or altered since being in noho.

We've had some great fights in the last month alot of the time its from going bhaals deep in to big groups home system.

but had great fights with SSC, UNKNOWN, Disavowed, TLC and Skylian verge. Teamed up with Awakened to spank goons in nullsec. Had nutmeg screaming in our pub channel that he has a couple moros pointed in our static and none of his guys on, I attually felt pretty bad for him as he got closed out along with me and a couple others so missed out on the moros kill. had a fun bc fight with tdsin at the sun, which i think might also have involved a bet for drinks at the next boston meet up.

TLDR fits have changed maybe not alot but it sure as hell isnt the same as it was a couple years ago. Great fights are there to be had if your willing to just go for it. and the great thing about the wh comunity is we can happily fight each other but will often team up with each other to do other stuff.
Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#44 - 2014-03-02 21:14:44 UTC
Shiftn Gend wrote:
Joan Greywind wrote:
[quote=Sandslinger]A wise man once said to me

If you're bored, you are boring Cool

The meta of wormholes has changed plenty, some are running the same old fits and comps and some have adapted.





stuff


yea ok

Back to you sand,

Damps, neut legions, blap dreads (the bane of wh space), and hams were a thing more than a year ago, it barely changed, and they are used in the exact same way. Wrecking ball didn't only change highslots, it changed how whole ships are supposed to be used, it is a whole formation consisting of interchangeable support that evolved and morphed throughout its career.

My gripe is, wh space is supposed to be where elite players go. It is the place where the most creative small gang warfare should happen, but we aren't. Little changes happen, but only very slowly and it always seems that we have less depth and width in the meta than any other part of space, which in my opinion is unacceptable. And I know it isn't because the players can't create more diverse content, because the mechanics of wh space, by its nature, attract higher tiered players, they are only limited by game design. Just like new sov mechanics (No I DONT WANT ANY TYPE OF SOV IN WH SPACE, it is just an analogy), moon changes, and t1 ship rebalances reinvigorated the meta in known space, we at least need some of that treatment to reinvigorate wh space. Unless we at least come together and push CCP for these changes, the chances of them happening is very low.

I really want to PvP in wh space, but at the current time, due to the two issues I posted earlier, I just do not find it as a viable pvping space, just my humble opinion.
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#45 - 2014-03-03 17:11:21 UTC
Some solid smacktalk was removed plus a large amount of off-topic posts. Please stay on topic and do not link killmails, thank you.

You are welcome to discuss general wormhole mechanics in a different thread or, if you have ideas how to improve wormhole based gameplay, to post those ideas on the Features & Ideas forum. Thank you!

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer

mechform
#46 - 2014-03-03 17:26:09 UTC  |  Edited by: mechform
Joan Greywind wrote:


less depth and width in the meta than any other part of space, which in my opinion is unacceptable


I too would be of this opinion if I spent only 2 weeks in a wormhole.

Black Power - Brotha's in space unite!

Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
#47 - 2014-03-03 17:47:16 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:

Can you post a link to the numbers that show wormholes are stagnant? I am genuinely curious to see those statistics.


Joan Greywind, please read this again

No trolling please

AssassinationsdoneWrong
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#48 - 2014-03-04 08:54:12 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:
Some solid smacktalk was removed plus a large amount of off-topic posts. Please stay on topic and do not link killmails, thank you.

You are welcome to discuss general wormhole mechanics in a different thread or, if you have ideas how to improve wormhole based gameplay, to post those ideas on the Features & Ideas forum. Thank you!



Can you move Joan Greywind's posts and chars to hisec please as he (and his main/s) is the only one who seem not to want to be here.

Thx in advance.

The Nexus 7's

What we fall short of in numbers we more than make up for in stupidity

Winthorp
#49 - 2014-03-04 09:56:05 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:
Some solid smacktalk was removed plus a large amount of off-topic posts. Please stay on topic and do not link killmails, thank you.

You are welcome to discuss general wormhole mechanics in a different thread or, if you have ideas how to improve wormhole based gameplay, to post those ideas on the Features & Ideas forum. Thank you!


I think you need to stay a little while longer in WH subsection to realise off topic is how we get **** done.
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#50 - 2014-03-04 20:51:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Galen Darksmith
Lakshata Chawla wrote:
Links to killmails removed accoding to forum rule 34, CCP Phantom
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Rule 34?

The reason we're not allowed to link killmails...is because people will make porn out of it?

Edit: ffs, "pron" is censored? What a bunch of vaginal discharge.

Edit to my edit: spelling pron with the proper leet "0" instead of "o" is also censored. Seriously, all of my wat.

"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler

mechform
#51 - 2014-03-05 18:37:04 UTC
I made the mistake of searching for rule34 on google and lol'd

Black Power - Brotha's in space unite!

Senfora Anophis
An Errant Venture
#52 - 2014-03-09 03:08:07 UTC
Joan Greywind wrote:
Proclus Diadochu wrote:
Joan Greywind wrote:
Proc4CSM


Stuff.



6- So bane is proposing a t3 balance of some sort, and how is that different from what I am asking? It is exactly the same point, why is he right and I am wrong? And if you haven't noticed ships including the very metas you mentioned supers, titans, and sentries required CCP to intervene multiple times and balance them, that is the only way they can got them fixed. When any strat is not balanced you can't blame the players for using them, that is exactly why CCP has to come in and balance an overused (hence overpowered) class of ships.


overused does not necessarily = overpowered.
Meytal
Doomheim
#53 - 2014-03-11 13:31:54 UTC
Joan Greywind wrote:
My gripe is, wh space is supposed to be where elite players go. It is the place where the most creative small gang warfare should happen, but we aren't

Found your problem! About the only thing you got right was the "small gang" stuff. We have the same bunch of loveable clueless idiots that everywhere else has, we just have them in smaller groups.

A lot of fleet composition options are limited by the peculiarities of W-space, and by the fact that usually you will be fighting on a hole at close range, ie: brawling. Some of the "more fun" compositions, like Nano fleets, BLOP fleets, or whatever you may find to be "fun", just won't work well. This changes the possible meta options.

Stealth is the name of the game, because the lack of instant Local intelligence data often forces us to be more aware of our surroundings than we might need to be otherwise. If you see ships or probes on dscan when no one else is supposed to be there, it's easy to identify the unidentified as hostile and make the decision to fight or flee. That also changes the meta.

Wormholes are not the esoteric, experimental, uncharted reaches of EVE anymore. They're mainstream now, and the mechanics are fully understood. We know our options, and we know our limitations. We have optimized our list of possibilities, and while constantly testing new things, we tend to come back to what works the best.

Joan Greywind wrote:
I really want to PvP in wh space, but at the current time, due to the two issues I posted earlier, I just do not find it as a viable pvping space, just my humble opinion.

Not a big issue, W-space isn't for everyone. Good luck to you, wherever you decide to go.
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