Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This is a myth.

A huge chunk are null sec alts who are only in high sec for the isk and there will be no mass unsub, high sec bears always threaten to leave but never do. CCP should fix game imbalances and ignore the people who defend said game imbalances.

Eve IS a sandbox. You just don't like how other people play in their part of the sandbox.

If someone doesn't want to socialize with other players, let them decide to not socialize with other players. If they enjoy ratting in highsec or running missions, they've got the right. The fact that you don't like it doesn't mean a damn thing as to whether it should continue or not when it's their preferred play style and their money funding their play style.

I will agree that NPCs should be much harder, and that there should be more incentive to venture into other parts of space, but I don't agree with nerfing Highsec to oblivion, nor removing ways to make money that don't involve PvP.

Infact, I'll go so far as to say that removing the ability to make money without interacting with a player is ******* dumb, and so is the person who believes that's a good idea.

And dozens of other games have died trying precisely that.

Blizzard is the exception, not the rule. They're hanging on by their fingernails, poisoning their once beloved IPs by catering to the casuals, what's more.

Wanna-be sociopath tears are quite simply the platinum standard of tears, don't you know?

And where are sleepers to be found? Absolutely nowhere near hisec, and far far from a safe place to do things solo.

What bothers me most is the people who like to say that their chunk of the sandbox is mission running or mining. You are not part of the sandbox when all of the options to interact with you have been hammered shut.

Mission runners especially face almost 0 risk aside from getting blapped by nados or being extremely stupid and aggressing flashies in particular situations. The fact that there is only one way to directly interact with a mission runner without having him shoot first is in my opinion, contrary to the ethos of eve.

OP isn't saying hisec needs a nerf, he is more saying that the options available should be more inclusive of other players, and be more difficult to stay in line with the amount of isk people are making.

These missions were designed long before people perfected methods of running them. They now need to be changed to be in line with the income they provide, and have the walls separating the runners from other players toned down.

I only see independent parties here, who is engaging is sockpuppetry?

Ok, I'll bite. I mostly agree with the OP in the form of questions, however, some solutions are slightly problematic:



I absolutely and 100% agree with this one. However, building an AI for this would be a royal pain in the ass.



Where would isk come from then? While it's true that bounties (and plex) bring money into the game, it's also true that pvp removes it. None of the other activities produce any form of isk, they just make it trade hands.



Absolutely agree. The problem is, some people are so risk-averse that they would never take an additional risk, no matter the cost. For instance, there were ideas of removing L4 missions from high sec. I honestly believe that there are those who would choose to run L3 missions or even mine instead of moving to low/null/WH space. As long as they believe that they'll be instantly vaporized the moment they get out of the "safety" of high sec, they'll never take the first step. All the talk of pirates and gangs doesn't help, people need to see the shinnies too.



Which should be part of missions in the first place. But again, without seeing a shiny, the risk-averse players will never be conviced to take that needed step.

hellokittyonline wrote:

1. NPCs need to be DIFFICULT. Make the NPCs fight like a seasoned PvPer would. Neuts, scrams, webs, transversal, and the utilization of range control. These NPCs should only target the aggressors and they should encourage your average carebear to actually learn how combat works.

Agreed. A good chunk of PvE content right now is an industrial farming activity with no challenge or connection to the rest of the sandbox. Its predictable, mundane and detached from other activities. An overhaul of content and mechanics that turns the activity to a potential ladder between PvE and PvP would be very desirable, as well as beneficial for carebears and PvPers alike.

hellokittyonline wrote:

2. Remove bounties. Rewards should 100% be in the form of a tangible item in the game that one can trade to another player for that players isk (or even, god-forbid, STEAL). Bounties inflate currency and line the lazy-mans pocket as no processing is required to get the value out of their time.

I really think that the bounty system can work with an overhaul. The concept is good, and the possibilities for new professions and player interaction is great, but right now everything is borked due to the mechanics at hand. Bounty hunting is not a viable profession, neither is putting a bounty on someone you want dead.

hellokittyonline wrote:

3. Incentivise risk-taking. Whether it be a risky market endevour or a trip to low-sec for those "o so juicy ores" there needs to be incentives that involve risking an engagement with another player for our lovely sandbox to remain as such. Furthermore, the rewards for said endevours need to fall in line with the risk involved.

The problem here is a little bigger. It is very difficult to stop risk aversion just by putting more value to risk, simply because a good chunk of the population does not care about value in the first place. Its a mentality problem really, stemming from the fact that the empire space in itself forms a cocoon of gameplay that a priori limits player interaction and chains players to slow suffocation via boredom. To alleviate that, you have to incorporate systemic (not player driven) risk at the source (empire) while marshaling the playerbase to interact.

hellokittyonline wrote:

4. Remove safety nets. The green safety, gate guns in low sec, warp core stabs on ships already small enough to escape almost anything, all need to go. The idea should be to incentivise knowledge of game mechanics, and player interaction, not solo-farming.

I don't think that any of the mechanics or features you listed are bad. For example, the crime-watch system is admittedly a welcome addition simply because before that a good chunk of game mechanics were obfuscated behind a massive wall of close-the-client-and-read mindfuck. That was really bad, especially for new players.

OP TL;DR: ganking is too hard nowadays, everybody who disagrees with me is a carebear.

0/10, would not read again.

let me guess: if you are god-like pvp-er and never lose your ship you do "pvp without risk"?