Player Features and Ideas Discussion

your right, lets remove mining, the market, all pve content and no was for any one to make isk and see how far the game goes.

im sorry this game has areas outside that allows other players to gain isk that they spend with little disregard.

maybe LoL or WoT will be better fitted for you trolling gankers since than you can kill players all day there with no safety....oh wait those can get you killed right back

Sigh another nerf high sec thread hey ? I knew one was due!

What the op says will never happen. If you look at the map and statics you will see that most of the active playerbase is currently in high sec. Always was and always will be the most active areas of space.

That is a lot of custom to loose by fcking their game and content up and driving them out.

If you'd play the game, instead of ganking/scamming errm, sorry, "pvping" in high-sec, you'd know that this already exists. It's called Sleeper AI, and does everything you've listed above.

This sounds like a brilliant idea actually. It's been stated that the only reason anyone plays EVE is for the pvp against other people. Obviously that's what the OP wants, the ability to find more meaningful PvP.

So lets just remove missions, mining, industry, trading, and all that other carebear nonsense straight into the dumpster.

Instead we can Have isk be paid to players for winning in the Arena of Combat! Where when you log in, you purchase the ship you wish to fly, and then you fly around on the pre designated team you've been assigned and fight other combatants.

That's definitely how EVE should be. Is there a petition I can sign? I'm so excited thinking about how EVE is suppose to be that I don't even really want to waste my time with all the other ridiculousness this game provides.


*edit* I'm mining AFK in hi-sec and my clone is outdated.

EVE needs carebears to function, but their carebearing activities need to more closely resemble playing in an interactive environment with other players who might wish to interact in a manner inconsistent with the carebear's fantasy of a single player game.

Don't you mean "our" sandbox.

The guy who works at the subway you never visit, and never encounter.

You might not be interacting with him directly, but the actions he takes performing a role in society is contributing to the interactive environment with other people. Just not you directly. His presence has an influence.

Unless someone is choosing to log in and sit docked in their station silently, then any action he performs in game is interaction with the game, and since we're all playing the same game, interaction with the entire gaming community.

Be it someone shooting at you, someone for you to shoot at, mining an asteroid, building a ship, it's all actions effecting the entirety of the game.

It is well known that I am terrible at pvp. I cannot be the OP.

Yes, please.



Then do it everywhere; nearly 3/4 of the bounties that you're worried about come from null sec ratting, according to CCP. And then figure out how newbros are going to get by without even the meager income provided by L1s and L2s. Mining? Ninja salvaging doesn't pay so well since the salvage market crashed, although it's still worth it for new players if they go into L4s and pick their wrecks carefully.



For them, and also for you. For instance, if you're trespassing in pirate territory, there's no reason for them to be much friendlier toward you: you're also a trespasser. If you're attacking another trespasser, they might leave you for last, but they might not. It would be interesting if the reactions depended on the nature of the rats and of the site. A site with a wing of tackle ships might try to pin every intruder down; a site with only one would only tackle primaries, or maybe call as primary someone you'd so generously tackled for them. The point is that the more complex and less predictable the behavior is, the better. It rewards in-depth knowledge about the rats and the missions.

As for the "oh so juicy ores" in low sec that so few people mine, is this a stealth "nerf the Venture" thread? Because the answer is no: Ventures are entirely killable as is. They're just not sitting ducks the way Retrievers are.



How does knowledge of the safety, knowing how to use (or work around) the gate guns in low sec, and knowledge of how and when to use warp core stabs not constitute knowledge of game mechanics? What you're asking for is for the game to be easier for you, so there are fewer variables that you have to think about and prepare for. (Personally, I dealt with all that crap by moving into a wormhole--there, it doesn't matter one bit how your safety's set, and there are no gate guns; no Local, either--why isn't that on your list of safety nets?--but if you want to stay in Empire, you play by Empire's rules.)

There are more elegant solutions to the problem of the cloaky warp-stabbed FW farmer proposed in the various CSM9 candidate threads. But you can't really complain that they're not incentivized to know the game mechanics, as they're being rewarded handsomely for taking full advantage of them. The mechanics are the problem.



You realize that we got safeties in no small part because people were having their ignorance of the rules taken advantage of well before they'd had a chance to get familiar with them, right? As it is, the rules of engagement in high sec do not favor mission boats, something you take full advantage of every time you warp your frigate into someone's mission and close into your preferred range under the protective wing of CONCORD.

I won't even mention the number of people who've lost ships in low sec because they forgot that their $*(#@&%@$# safety was set green, so they didn't shoot when they thought they did, so they went blooey. But hey, at least the loss is an incentive to be more familiar with the mechanics, right?

Risk is not just for other people; you are not just creating content for them, but they are also creating content (and income!) for you.

Because if you are doing it right, you will never lose your ship.