Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Jeez.

These were rebalanced so recently.
Stop being World of Warcraft and leave well enough alone.
We don't need everything balanced every patch.

Flavor of the month garbage.

mm... the moa HP buff is nice along with much needed speed but... the attack cruisers could really use some HP themselves they are so damn fragile... also perhaps you could buff the stabbers speed so it is faster than the vagabond and or nerf the vagas speed .. the HAC's are supposed too be slower than the attack cruisers..

Im wondering, why did they even bother with changing anything on punisher - and then keeping it 2 mids...

you will need to plug the USB rifter after the update hit, then run the "usb_rifter_update.exe" located in /bin

\o/ for a rebalancing pass!

On a more critical note: please change the rifter to the attack class. Nerf its HP accordingly.

More importantly: you're forgetting the vigil! At the very least give it some flexibility and give it turret hardpoints. ;)

I didn't know the rifter ever was attack class. It's the heaviest hitter and as i recall was always combat. The attack ships were the breacher and the slasher. I don't see why minmatar need a third attack frigate or why the rifter needs to get nerfed.

Would agree with you if these changes didn't come off as "we need to change something/anything" type changes. Nothing really noteworthy at all as far as balance is concerned within this thread.

IMO it amounts to wasted time, which is pretty **** when you consider there are some 80K dudes waiting for a meaningful sov system overhaul and have been requesting CCP work on the sov system for several year now.

Small changes imply that the previous rebalance was close to the target. That should make you happy.

It's the extremism of the game that keeps it interesting. Covops titans (before the ship restrictions were added), 10mn afterburner frigates; things that a tiny little change of 5% powergrid can royally mess up.

Less than 12% of Eve players vote for CSM.
An equally small percentage are regular forum users.
Yet after every rebalance help chat becomes flooded with complaints of "Why can't I do ____ anymore WTF guys!?"

CCP is pretending that players want something that the majority of them never asked for.

While I get your point that it's bad to stifle player innovation and creativity by changing stuff around too often, it is equally bad to allow a state in which there is only one clear "best" solution to problems. That might cause innovation and creativity at first, but then becomes a rigid meta that just gets everyone to be doing that one "best" thing, while swathes of other content are just ignored.

As a concrete example, the state frigates were in for years had the Rifter being the king of PvP. There was no innovation, no choice, and a very shallow pool of new options and new strategies to try out, simply because everything else was that much worse. Post-tiericide, for any given task that a frigate may perform, there are multiple contenders, of which none is clearly the best in all/most situations. There are multiple good brawlers, multiple good fleet tacklers, multiple good scram range kiters, etc.

The balancing passes that CCP is doing now addresses edge cases where a ship is overshadowing others in the same role "pools" (Vexor), or a ship that simply is not good enough to make it into role "pools" (Punisher). These sorts of changes preserve choice and variety, and over time offer lots of opportunities for inventing new strategies.

Side note: 5% is a very big change.



CCP have statistics, routes of feedback, and other information that you and I do not have access to. If CCP were to listen to vocal minorities, a lot of stuff would have been implemented a long time ago. Refer to this thread here for what the vocal minorities want: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6342&find=unread

Last CSM election, CCP put adverts in the Eve launcher, sent e-mails to player accounts, and publicized widely about the election, complete with lots of details about each candidate. After all of that, I'm afraid I don't have much sympathy for the 88% of non-voters who are surprised that not speaking their minds leads to them not being listened to.

Malcanis here can probably give you a better perspective on that though.