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Join CCP with our New Player Mining Fleet this Saturday at 18:00

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CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2014-02-21 13:08:27 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
This Saturday at 18:00 EVE Time, CCP will be running a New Player Training Session mining fleet. As opposed to our previous fleets (which involved going out into low and null sec to PVP and flying into a wormhole to sing songs), this fleet will naturally be far more laid back. We're going to find some asteroids and mine them out. We'll be chilling out on voice comms during the event, answering questions, chatting, and maybe having one or two adult beverages. It will be an easy going time that will hopefully lead to some fun!

Here are the rules and regulations for the fleet:

  • Come to Josameto III - Expert Distribution Retail Center. We will be forming up around 18:00 and aiming to depart by 18:30 EVE Time (that's UTC).
  • We will be handing out free T1 fit Ventures, though you are free to bring your own ship if you wish.
  • The fleet will likely run for an hour or so. After we finish the mining, we'll likely go out and see if we can't ninja-mine some wormhole gas, though we will NOT be providing the Gas Harvesters or the skill to use them.
  • CCP Devs will collect the ore and we will split it evenly at the end of the fleet.
  • Do not bring a ship you cannot afford to lose! Though this is CCP-sponsored (or perhaps because it is!), it's likely we'll run into more than a few people who will want to mess with us through suicide ganking, smartbombing, or otherwise being disruptive! We will teach people how to deal with such things, but we won't be reimbursing anyone for any losses or preventing anyone from doing this, so a few people ARE likely to die.
  • Despite us allowing some normal interaction with the fleet, excessive attempts to disrupt or harass what is primarily a rookie-aimed training fleet will not be allowed.
  • [*] Voice comms information and the actual location we will mine in will be revealed when the fleet is ready to head out.

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Alphax45v2
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-02-21 13:42:33 UTC
Can I bring my "mining" catalyst? :D
Araneatrox
I like space and spaceships
Deepwater Hooligans
#3 - 2014-02-21 16:12:15 UTC
Alphax45v2 wrote:
Can I bring my "mining" catalyst? :D


Mining Catalyst cannot fit Smartbombs, Kinetic smartbombs just tear through those Asteroids.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#4 - 2014-02-21 17:00:12 UTC
CCP Eterne wrote:
This Saturday at 18:00 EVE Time, CCP will be running a New Player Training Session mining fleet. As opposed to our previous fleets (which involved going out into low and null sec to PVP and flying into a wormhole to sing songs), this fleet will naturally be far more laid back. We're going to find some asteroids and mine them out. We'll be chilling out on voice comms during the event, answering questions, chatting, and maybe having one or two adult beverages. It will be an easy going time that will hopefully lead to some fun!

Here are the rules and regulations for the fleet:

  • Come to Josameto III - Expert Distribution Retail Center. We will be forming up around 18:00 and aiming to depart by 18:30 EVE Time (that's UTC).
  • We will be handing out free T1 fit Ventures, though you are free to bring your own ship if you wish.
  • The fleet will likely run for an hour or so. After we finish the mining, we'll likely go out and see if we can't ninja-mine some wormhole gas, though we will NOT be providing the Gas Harvesters or the skill to use them.
  • CCP Devs will collect the ore and we will split it evenly at the end of the fleet.
  • Do not bring a ship you cannot afford to lose! Though this is CCP-sponsored (or perhaps because it is!), it's likely we'll run into more than a few people who will want to mess with us through suicide ganking, smartbombing, or otherwise being disruptive! We will teach people how to deal with such things, but we won't be reimbursing anyone for any losses or preventing anyone from doing this, so a few people ARE likely to die.
  • Despite us allowing some normal interaction with the fleet, excessive attempts to disrupt or harass what is primarily a rookie-aimed training fleet will not be allowed.
  • Voice comms information and the actual location we will mine in will be revealed when the fleet is ready to head out.



Glad to see you doing this.
Smart way to enhance the NPE.
Too bad you are now competing with E-UNI.
Perhaps you could reach out to a number of the larger high sec entities to show up in Griffin's and jam any gankers who go flashy? You would need a lot.

And I am really going to be interested how you deal with the bumping griefers. You KNOW they are showing up, unless you told them to back off.
Doc Weed
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2014-02-21 17:21:46 UTC
Ohhh don't mind me I'm here for fleet "defense"
Blake Armitage
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-02-21 17:23:09 UTC
Would ship, module, and skillbook donations be welcome in the system? I'm remembering back to when I started my Eve career in 2008 mining with terrible tools.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#7 - 2014-02-21 17:24:31 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
And I am really going to be interested how you deal with the bumping griefers. You KNOW they are showing up, unless you told them to back off.


Bumping isn't griefing - the GMs told me so in a forum post.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

JamesUtah
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-02-21 20:21:18 UTC  |  Edited by: JamesUtah
CCP should invite/let chribba bring his supercapital mining fleet to help promote this to the new players (or at least the veldonaught since it's already in high sec)
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-02-21 20:34:57 UTC
CCP Eterne wrote:

  • Despite us allowing some normal interaction with the fleet, excessive attempts to disrupt or harass what is primarily a rookie-aimed training fleet will not be allowed.



  • Then stick to rookie systems.
    Tarek Raimo
    Eleutherian Guard
    #10 - 2014-02-21 21:05:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarek Raimo
    Seriously, I wonder where you draw the line between "normal interaction" (you are warning people of suicide ganks etc.) and "excessive attempts to disrupt or harass"?

    What if there are many individual suicide gankers not striking in unison but they are still part of the same organization (like the New Order for example)? What will you do if you consider the harassment excessive?

    I would consider it fair to both the newbies who come with you and the people who consider attacking them a viable playstyle to lay down the rules in a more concise manner.

    Thank you
    Teoshen
    Transcendent Innovations Incorporated
    #11 - 2014-02-21 22:01:33 UTC
    I'll be there to shoot CCP employees. Twisted
    Astecus
    Astral Academy
    Astral Sanctuary
    #12 - 2014-02-21 22:41:28 UTC
    CCP Eterne wrote:
    • Voice comms information and the actual location we will mine in will be revealed when the fleet is ready to head out.

    What kind of voice comms will be used? Teamspeak/Mumble/EVE Voice?

    Reloaded Main: Astevon | Creator of the Anti-ganking channel, Anti-ganking.net and AstralServices.net

    Dinsdale Pirannha
    Pirannha Corp
    #13 - 2014-02-22 03:13:37 UTC
    Tarek Raimo wrote:
    Seriously, I wonder where you draw the line between "normal interaction" (you are warning people of suicide ganks etc.) and "excessive attempts to disrupt or harass"?

    What if there are many individual suicide gankers not striking in unison but they are still part of the same organization (like the New Order for example)? What will you do if you consider the harassment excessive?

    I would consider it fair to both the newbies who come with you and the people who consider attacking them a viable playstyle to lay down the rules in a more concise manner.

    Thank you


    How about this:

    Maybe, just for this event, you could use your brain and think "turning off potential subscribers to the game before they get a chance to learn the game is a really bad idea", and go harass the people you normally harass.

    I realize this concept of not attacking new players is difficult for you to grasp on an emotional level, but why not find some flies to pull the legs off instead?
    Dinsdale Pirannha
    Pirannha Corp
    #14 - 2014-02-22 03:16:49 UTC
    CCP Eterne wrote:
    This Saturday at 18:00 EVE Time, CCP will be running a New Player Training Session mining fleet. As opposed to our previous fleets (which involved going out into low and null sec to PVP and flying into a wormhole to sing songs), this fleet will naturally be far more laid back. We're going to find some asteroids and mine them out. We'll be chilling out on voice comms during the event, answering questions, chatting, and maybe having one or two adult beverages. It will be an easy going time that will hopefully lead to some fun!

    Here are the rules and regulations for the fleet:

    • Come to Josameto III - Expert Distribution Retail Center. We will be forming up around 18:00 and aiming to depart by 18:30 EVE Time (that's UTC).
    • We will be handing out free T1 fit Ventures, though you are free to bring your own ship if you wish.
    • The fleet will likely run for an hour or so. After we finish the mining, we'll likely go out and see if we can't ninja-mine some wormhole gas, though we will NOT be providing the Gas Harvesters or the skill to use them.
    • CCP Devs will collect the ore and we will split it evenly at the end of the fleet.
    • Do not bring a ship you cannot afford to lose! Though this is CCP-sponsored (or perhaps because it is!), it's likely we'll run into more than a few people who will want to mess with us through suicide ganking, smartbombing, or otherwise being disruptive! We will teach people how to deal with such things, but we won't be reimbursing anyone for any losses or preventing anyone from doing this, so a few people ARE likely to die.
    • Despite us allowing some normal interaction with the fleet, excessive attempts to disrupt or harass what is primarily a rookie-aimed training fleet will not be allowed.
    • Voice comms information and the actual location we will mine in will be revealed when the fleet is ready to head out.




    I have not fired up new char in a long time, so this may be a moot point, but do new chars today start with the Mining Frigate skill? If not, you might want to bring along a bunch of those skillbooks, and maybe suggest that new players learn the skill if they don't have it already.
    Tarek Raimo
    Eleutherian Guard
    #15 - 2014-02-22 04:13:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarek Raimo
    Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


    How about this:

    Maybe, just for this event, you could use your brain and think "turning off potential subscribers to the game before they get a chance to learn the game is a really bad idea", and go harass the people you normally harass.

    I realize this concept of not attacking new players is difficult for you to grasp on an emotional level, but why not find some flies to pull the legs off instead?



    Hey man, chill. You're reading me wrong.

    I have never shot at a newbie knowingly. Shot one in a gatecamp once but when I saw on the killmail how old he was I convoed him to explain what had just happened and then gave him a few mill for his lost ship. You see my corp tag? I'm in galmil, we're no griefers, we are straightforward PVPers. We do our best to integrate new players right now. I am all for supporting those events. All I'm asking here is clarification so that the potential gankers know where the line will be drawn and stick to that line so that everyone involved know what they can expect.

    No need to go all defensive, I'm on your side here.
    Quinn Hatfield
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #16 - 2014-02-22 10:00:22 UTC
    Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

    I have not fired up new char in a long time, so this may be a moot point, but do new chars today start with the Mining Frigate skill? If not, you might want to bring along a bunch of those skillbooks, and maybe suggest that new players learn the skill if they don't have it already.
    Nope new players don't start with the mining frigate skill, although it is a reward for one of the tutorials.

    I don't burn bridges, I merely steal a bolt a day.

    Elmnt80
    Life. Universe. Everything.
    Clockwork Pineapple
    #17 - 2014-02-22 11:28:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmnt80
    Tarek Raimo wrote:
    Seriously, I wonder where you draw the line between "normal interaction" (you are warning people of suicide ganks etc.) and "excessive attempts to disrupt or harass"?


    I'm also curious where this line is. Obviously repeatedly sending waves of smartbombing battleships in to kill them would be frowned upon, but what about a single wave? Or a single smartbombing battleship? Suicide ganking miners is a part of "normal interaction" in the game and has been for a long time, so purposely giving them the impression that its disallowed/discouraged in any way shape or form by CCP is just setting them up to be unprepared for what is most likely to come if they continue mining.. Also, after the suicide gank is a great time to explain the mechanics behind it to someone who can be better prepared for it next time! Because lets face it, they're gonna get ganked sooner or later, and probably sooner than later. Really, I'm only thinking of their well being.
    Warr Akini
    GoonWaffe
    Goonswarm Federation
    #18 - 2014-02-22 12:05:07 UTC
    Hi. I'm Warr Akini, and I approve of this sort of player content.
    Anna Karhunen
    Inoue INEXP
    #19 - 2014-02-22 14:58:49 UTC
    CCP Eterne wrote:


    Here are the rules and regulations for the fleet:

    • Come to Josameto III - Expert Distribution Retail Center. We will be forming up around 18:00 and aiming to depart by 18:30 EVE Time (that's UTC).
    • We will be handing out free T1 fit Ventures, though you are free to bring your own ship if you wish.
    • The fleet will likely run for an hour or so. After we finish the mining, we'll likely go out and see if we can't ninja-mine some wormhole gas, though we will NOT be providing the Gas Harvesters or the skill to use them.
    • CCP Devs will collect the ore and we will split it evenly at the end of the fleet.
    • Do not bring a ship you cannot afford to lose! Though this is CCP-sponsored (or perhaps because it is!), it's likely we'll run into more than a few people who will want to mess with us through suicide ganking, smartbombing, or otherwise being disruptive! We will teach people how to deal with such things, but we won't be reimbursing anyone for any losses or preventing anyone from doing this, so a few people ARE likely to die.
    • Despite us allowing some normal interaction with the fleet, excessive attempts to disrupt or harass what is primarily a rookie-aimed training fleet will not be allowed.
    • Voice comms information and the actual location we will mine in will be revealed when the fleet is ready to head out.



    So... is it Josameto (the list here) or Kaaputenen (NPTS channel MoTD)?

    As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia

    Dinsdale Pirannha
    Pirannha Corp
    #20 - 2014-02-22 15:21:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Dinsdale Pirannha
    Tarek Raimo wrote:
    Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


    How about this:

    Maybe, just for this event, you could use your brain and think "turning off potential subscribers to the game before they get a chance to learn the game is a really bad idea", and go harass the people you normally harass.

    I realize this concept of not attacking new players is difficult for you to grasp on an emotional level, but why not find some flies to pull the legs off instead?



    Hey man, chill. You're reading me wrong.

    I have never shot at a newbie knowingly. Shot one in a gatecamp once but when I saw on the killmail how old he was I convoed him to explain what had just happened and then gave him a few mill for his lost ship. You see my corp tag? I'm in galmil, we're no griefers, we are straightforward PVPers. We do our best to integrate new players right now. I am all for supporting those events. All I'm asking here is clarification so that the potential gankers know where the line will be drawn and stick to that line so that everyone involved know what they can expect.

    No need to go all defensive, I'm on your side here.


    Sorry man.
    Most times I read a question like yours, it is someone seeing how far they can push the envelope in a griefing way.
    Glad to see you are not like that, and my apologies.
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