Missions & Complexes

Really, i don't care about loot spew, what i do care about is time spent in the relic site as opposed to time spent scanning.

If time spent scanning is crazy high as opposed to actually getting the loot, there are less opportunities for ganks. And ganks = fun. Contesting a relic site = fun. So less time spent in a relic site = less fun.

Loot spew was implemented to encourage cooperative work. It does not, because people just get alts (like myself) to run relics and just log the alt off in hostile null, but i would be all for somehow forcing players to spend more time in a relic site.

Thanks whiners.

Probably loot will be nerfed now, so that you microless fat fingers can finally handle a simple mini-game.

This is awful news. The loot spew is a step in reducing the dull mindless pressure-less nature of exploration. Additionally, it nicely incorporated piloting skill, pre-scanning knowledge, spatial awareness/instincts -- all good stuff that meant that doing/practicing it for longer yields better results, giving exploration a "profession" aspect.

Removing the spew turns it back into the old hacking, except instead of rats there's a minigame in which success largely depends on luck.

I really hope that the loot spew is replaced with something equally engaging.

Were it up to me, the sites would have much larger amounts of loot, keep loot spew, and add rats that respawn (and stack up if ignored). Make it a challenge! If the efficacy of doing something in Eve isn't affected by watching a movie on the side, it's not challenging or engaging enough.

Another idea: remove loot spew but change the hacking minigame to have time pressure and limitations, and extra rewards for performing really well. Something similar to the one in Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

Whatever you do, please please please do not make it so boring and easy that I can browse Reddit and watch cat videos on the side.

Emphasis added. This is as it should be; I wish that CCP would iterate on the hacking game and make it an actual challenge. Give us the scripted/pre-loaded utilities, give us some challenge in the minigame that requires skill moreso than skill points. Make it so that the longer you spend in that can, and the more successful and skilled you are, the better the loot you get. Make it multi-layered, active, and engaging.

I know that it won't happen anytime soon, if ever, because CCP has moved on to making round after round of broken/useless deployables, long term plans of jumpgates to nowhere, and leaving the ship rebalance half done.



This, along with a glorious explosion that causes AOE damage would be great. It's the best suggested use of loot diarrhea so far.

I'm happy to read this, because this part of the exploration profession revamp really reduced the enjoyment of the overall activity.

I feel like there's a disconnect here. Is fine motor control to click moving dots on the screen just that hardhard for everyone?

That's because the usual covops frigates used to do this are shitfits.

Data and Relic sites should have variance beyond what they do now; there should be easier ones in high and low that benefit a lightly tanked covops/T1 scanner, and give low level loot as a result. Faster, time gated ones in null that let a covops sneak in and out but reward quick hacking skill would be great, too. There should also be much more difficult ones that spawn rats, require PVE combat, and give better loot to benefit the higher SP SoE or T3 pilot.

Glad to hear the loot spew mechanic is going away. It's a time sensitive activity that has a lot of problems that I don't think can be fixed with the current game mechanics (server tick). I've logged a number of bugs where clicking on the second loot can doesn't register, so you waste valuable seconds trying to find another one to click to get it to register. Lag and ship agility also play into account here.

Also that some of the hacking containers in the dronelands are oversized and the collision mechanic doesn't allow you to get close enough to them to properly grab the loot spew cans.

I expect a reduction to the amount of loot in each can to make up for the loot spew mechanic not being there. The idea was that you wouldn't be able to grab all of it by yourself (bring a friend), but solo you'd still end up with theoretically the same amount of loot as before the spew mechanic, based on the items that are lost. I know this has been explained a while back about the way the mind handles potential loss, even when you're not actually getting less loot. Hopefully this fixes some of the large drops in market prices we've seen for a lot of the valuable salvage and other items found via exploration. I say that after dumping my stock a few weeks ago ;_;

I've done exploration sites bringing along a friend who is just getting started, and it isn't much fun for them, since they just get dragged around and sit there while I do the minigame until we're ready to go all Hungry Hungry Hippos on the loot spew cans. A better way for a co-operative mechanic would be nice - right now sometimes we'll bring multiple people into sites to watch our backs if there are neutrals in system, but they don't contribute anything to the minigame or collection.

When you do this, please could you take a look at how this affects COSMOS sites?

Since loot spew came in, there are items that seem to have literally disappeared from the game, such as the Yan Jung Tachyon Stetoscope. I've never even seen it appear on a cargo scan, let alone in an actual loot spew container.

COSMOS sites were pretty screwed with loot spew anyway, as there was no pattern or reason to what items appeared in what containers.

Anyway, this is very welcome news - thanks for the heads up.