Player Features and Ideas Discussion

..should not apply to pods after ship destruction

This should apply specifically to non-combat ships

I had a bad experience of this (on an alt)

(this happened to a freighter)

Logging out near a gate in Hisec, it appears the freighter was aggressed by new player frigate (probably someone`s alt) 4 secs after logout

Supposedly within the game mechanics, the victim got a freeze on gating/logging out (in itself unfair, as this is hardly fair combat)

Being logged out, the freighter stayed there, an obvious target; 11 mins later it was attacked by another noobship, to extend the aggression timer, then 11 mins later was attacked and destroyed by a gank-fleet

CCP confirmed that the pod warped away (no idea where), but with a further 15 min aggression timer, but was scanned down and destroyed 12 mins later

This addition of aggression timer onto another ship (the pod), plus it being a non-combat ship, should not be applied

The game mechanics are applying the aggression timers on the victim, rather than on the aggressor, made worse by the fact the victim is a non-combat ship

CCP are not very discriminating on this; they seem to be siding with the aggressor, instead of the victim


This needs changing, especially as non-combat ships cannot fight back

PvP stands for Person v Person, not Person victimising Prey

The aggression timer should be put per ship, not per character


Nevermind that the pod should have been logged out, as the player was logged out long ago...

Op is 100% correct.

Non combat ships and non aggressing persons should not be subject to any log off count down timer.

I see my war target enter a system in a nice fat freighter. The war target realizes he is about to be taken to task and tries to log off.

In your situation: he gets away.
In mine: justice is served.

Just because you (or I) are in an industrial and decide to use poor judgement and log off at a gate does not mean others should be denied their opportunities. And I speak as someone who occasionally plays from locations with poor reception and thus suffer natural disconnects. But that is not what the OP is talking about.... at least it was omitted: his bud logged out at the gate... poor judgement and he suffered the consequence.

These timers were introduced with the sole purpose of doing what they do. They are designed to work as they do and are quite a recent change to flag timers.

Also PvP is player versus player, it matters not what ship the other player flies. PvP is about competition and removing assets from anyone is a part of that PvP aspect. Eve is PvP centric. Always has been, always will be.

What's a non combat ship? I didn't know we had any of those.

You got it exactly right (though my freighter was aggressed twice, the destruction by fleet was a 3rd aggression)

My point is, why does the victim get the aggression timer??

I believe it was originally put in place to stop the aggressor logging out, after having attacked someone (and the game mechanic became flawed)

I have yet to see how you can aggress anyone else in a freighter or pod...

officially this was done to prevent people from logging off if they could not win the fight (used to happen a lot in capital fights)

aggression timer does not mean you aggressed someone it means you are in a combat situation and therefor have 15 min timer. it doesnt matter if you aggressed a player or NPC or a player or NPC aggressed you.

Idiot, learn to read


It was aggressed AFTER I was logged out

Now tell me how I would get out of that!!

You say it`s as the game mechanic is intended, right I`ll use some kind of sixth sense to login again to save my ship....

While we are at it, logging out is supposed to warp the ship to a random spot, then logout (apparently this did not happen, this warp, to my freighter, but seemed to work for my pod)

I was not losing, as I had not been aggressed before logout

I would not normally log out at a gate, but I was having bad lag problems, so restarted my PC to clear my RAM (and then did not login again for quite a while)

If I had crashed out of the game, those same game mechanics would have occurred also; being aggressed after I no longer had Eve on my computer screen

This is in an intended mechanic.

There used to be a time where industrials, freighters, and even whole gangs of combat ships would log out if faced with a situation that had poor odds (even before any actual combat had begun) and hopefully survive the 1 minute they would linger in space after logging off (because no timers would apply if you logged off before being aggressed).

So CCP implemented the mechanics the way they are now under the general idea of; logging out should not be an option to escape from immediate danger. You already have ways to log out safety (docking, going to a POS, finding a safespot, etc).

1. is this going to help your case?
2. it is well known that a ship stays in space after normal log off for 30 sec or so, thats where the safe log off is for.
3. see point 2
4. well he is not lying it is a game mechanic as intended, i am not sure if a 6th sense would fall under cheating, have to speak to CCP about that one
5. NO! a disconnect makes you warp ro a random spot to wait out the timer.
6. well you lost that is sure now
7. i find this very suspicious and think that you are not honest, i think that you may have suspected something or someone and logged off failing at knowing the rules and now you make a tear shredding story to make a point and get your freighter reimbursed.
8. If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry christmas.