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Remove Prop Mod Mass from external formula
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Ines Tegator
Serious Business Inc. Ltd. LLC. etc.
#1 - 2014-02-16 04:38:48 UTC
Prop mods give a huge increase in mass while in use in order to balance the agility of the ship. Hooray. This has unintended consequences, including abusing the poor collision mechanics (bumping), accidentally (or not) collapsing wormholes, and wasting jump fuel, causing many tears to l33t pvp'ers.

To fix this, remove the added mass created by active prop mods (MWD, AB) from all calculations except the agility of the ship that has the module fitted. This will eliminate all unintended effects.

Overhaul Dscan!
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-02-16 04:55:58 UTC
I think first you would need to show that those effects are actually unintended.
Ines Tegator
Serious Business Inc. Ltd. LLC. etc.
#3 - 2014-02-16 07:07:51 UTC
They make no intuitive sense. If they were intended, then CCP is very silly.

Ok, so that goes without saying, but still. They are silly effects.

Overhaul Dscan!
Mag's
Azn Empire
#4 - 2014-02-16 08:06:42 UTC
Ines Tegator wrote:
They make no intuitive sense. If they were intended, then CCP is very silly.

Ok, so that goes without saying, but still. They are silly effects.
They make perfect sense and are working as intended.

Why not talk about the fact that Eve space is based on water physics, if you have an axe to grind about sense?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#5 - 2014-02-16 09:34:27 UTC
The only potentially 'unintended' consequence is how bumping a slow ship above it's maximum speed takes it forever to slow down.

When the Warp drive should be exerting tremendous force to slow the ship down so it should take seconds to slow down to it's maximum speed. That scaling change of deceleration when above maximum speed would solve most of the 'bumping' cases which feel like exploits, while keeping bumping as a viable mechanic to prevent alignment if done well.
Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
#6 - 2014-02-16 10:15:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Swiftstrike1
It's hard to put into words how I feel about the OP. This link is the best I could come up with.
http://xkcd.com/1134/

Casual Incursion runner & Faction Warfare grunt, ex-Wormholer, ex-Nullbear.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-02-16 12:54:41 UTC
Ines Tegator wrote:
They make no intuitive sense. If they were intended, then CCP is very silly.

Ok, so that goes without saying, but still. They are silly effects.


Ah I see.

Posting in stealth nerf bumping thread.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2014-02-16 13:04:49 UTC
Sweeping gameplay changes with no justification other than you, personally, disliking the mechanic in question.

Yeah, see, that's not a good reason to change anything.
Gawain Edmond
Khanid Bureau of Industry
#9 - 2014-02-16 13:39:15 UTC
this is the best i could find to help out people who were confused (it has a cool cartoon to make it easy to follow)
http://www.launc.tased.edu.au/online/sciences/physics/LENMAS.HTM