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The Automatic Judgement of Scammer.

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Douxo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-02-14 20:23:34 UTC
Hello!
Recently i applied to a few different corps asking if i could be a 'wormhole apprentice' and follow their advice perfectly in order to become a fully self sufficient and productive member of their corps.
However it seems they are all denying for random and strange reason, and after a fair ammount of googling, i can only find the answer to be, they think im going to steal all their ****.

When i first started eve i had no mentor, no clue, and pretty much still no clue, a 2010 pilot who knows less about the game than someone who started a week ago, so my skills are screwed, my Killboard is disgusting, my Employment history is random and populated.

How do i Fix myself, without starting over, so i appear to be a regular player,
and if being in a wormhole corp is my goal, what steps do i take to start me on that path?
Lilliana Stelles
#2 - 2014-02-14 20:40:15 UTC
There's no way to fix a lengthy corp history or a killboard full of awoxing. What you can do is sit in the same reputable corp for a few years to regain people's trust, or use personal references. If you have friends (preferably IRL friends) who can put in a good word for you, that helps too. Think of every corp you join as being a job interview.

If all else fails, start your own.

Not a forum alt. 

Douxo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-02-14 20:56:57 UTC
There is just no remorse for new players who **** up their stats... they haunt you forever.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#4 - 2014-02-14 21:16:28 UTC
Your corp history is over 3 years long, with what looks like several months of play-time in various corps. I'm not surprised if you can't explain that, that you would have issue with WH corps. You don't appear to be a new player at all.

You can probably join a WH corp that uses a holding corp, or any that would look at your API and know how to interpret it.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-02-14 21:32:06 UTC
Wormhole corps tend to be more careful than most because of the high level of trust that is necessary when you live out of a POS and share ship maintenance arrays and cargo storage. As is the case with any type of group in EVE the best way to join is to already have an "in" with someone. This might mean you need to make an "in". I suggest you hang out in wormhole space solo a bit and see if you can get some fights. Talk to the people that shoot at you. Ask them what they like about wormhole space and tell them about yourself. Take your time. Once you are on good terms people are much more likely to hear out your explanation for a long corp history (assuming you have one).

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Titan's Lament

NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#6 - 2014-02-14 21:32:50 UTC
There are also WH corporations that have trial periods before your allowed into their WH so you might want to look for one of those.
Even if you have a bad reputation you can find corporations that are willing to give you a chance, even tho its harder and you have to work harder to prove your self to them.
Douxo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-02-14 21:59:15 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
. I suggest you hang out in wormhole space solo a bit ).


I don't have the isk to throw away a Tech 3 Cruiser going into WH space to look for a fight.
i don't even have the isk for a Tech 3 Cruiser.
Hence why i want a mentor, i hear Wormholes can fund almost anything, im just willing to do whatever it takes to become efficient in one.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#8 - 2014-02-14 22:05:30 UTC
So for 3 years you were just doing stupid things and there was not even one moment during that time you wondered about what is going on? It's not like google and those forums showed up yesterday. You have tons of info around just few clicks away and you didn't bother.

Well, you can always start new character and do it properly this time knowing that in the long run your actions and mistakes can catch up with you.

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Douxo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-02-14 22:09:38 UTC
I joined eve cos my roommate played, and i just followed him with his corps, and did nothing but mining, and some small gang fleet PvP.
95% Of the guides are really hard to follow, and i read alot of forum posts and they are just as hard.

(completely made up Abreviations)
"Equip a LTE and get into Low Sec and do a POR in a NM with some RTG's."

This guide is awesome.
Keno Skir
#10 - 2014-02-14 22:18:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Keno Skir
Nobody said anything about a t3.

Wormhole corps are (and rightfully so) generally harder to get into than most other corps in most other areas of space. If you want into one it's going to take more than just an application. Take time joining the right channels and learning skills that will assist you in wormhole space.

There's little point in saying "hey there, i'm a blank slate with no skills that can help you but i'm really up for a share of your money. Please help train me to take a slice of your profits"

Take time to read about wormholes and before you put in an application, make sure you are already confident in all areas of space. You comment about the T3 suggests you don't have much confidence you can stay alive solo in a dangerous area, this is not helpful to your application. Go spend time in lowsec, nulsec and wormholes solo as has been mentioned above. It is perfectly possible to survive without a T3 in all areas of space given practice.

Once you can say to a wormhole corp "Hey there, i'm doing just fine on my own but i'd really like to escelate things and fly with others. I won't need hand holding and can provide you with the following benefits" your employability will be higher.

Assuming they have enough pilots to run their hole and perform their various tasks well, wormhole corps do not necessarily NEED more pilots. You must be an asset in order to be NEEDED by a corp in wormhole space, and it is in this way that wormhole corps differ to most other corps in most other areas of space. In other areas of space where profits are widespread and security is easy you can generally be recruited just to make up numbers even if you aren't already trained.

Do your time in the army before you apply to the special forces, or at least make damn sure you're already a commando if you decide to try to jump the training.

(EDIT having read your latest post : Wormhole's are complicated and hard. Don't expect anyone to take you into one if you can't even be bothered to learn the abbreviations used in game. Go back and read those "hard" guides and you might just end up "hard" yourself. Or stay in hisec where life is easier, profits are lower and guides are shorter and written in REALLY BIG WORDS...)
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-02-14 22:19:34 UTC
Have you actually spoken to recruiters before you applied? If not, thats the issue.

Speak to recruiters. A good recruiter will be open minded and judge more on the chat than KB stats or corp history (though they will take it into account). At least you can explain why your history and KB looks like they do.

In my past life as a recruiter I've never turndd down someone initially without the recruitment interview. Sure some I was biased of being a spy/awoxer/etc. But I still asked for a chat to either confirm it or give them a chance to explain/defend themself. And in over 2.5 years of recruitment only once I was wrong and let a wrong guy join the corp. And Im sure that I have turned down good people based on my findings too.

But all stands and falls with your attitude and how you interact with the recruiters and others in the public channel.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-02-14 22:25:56 UTC
Douxo wrote:
I joined eve cos my roommate played, and i just followed him with his corps, and did nothing but mining, and some small gang fleet PvP.
95% Of the guides are really hard to follow, and i read alot of forum posts and they are just as hard.

(completely made up Abreviations)
"Equip a LTE and get into Low Sec and do a POR in a NM with some RTG's."

This guide is awesome.


Sorry, but I'm with Schmata.

3 years ago, this exact forum (and good old - now defunct - Trial Citizen Q&A) existed.
And there are plenty of guides (hints to ISKtheguide) that are very new player friendly.

And as Keno said.

Because of the type of lifestyle...WH corps are one of the hardest corps to get into. Just hitting that Apply to Join button isn't going to get you in.

Specially if you also state you have no idea about WH stuff, can't survive on your own and thus need "hand holding" and just want to be in one because it pays good...that surely isn't going to get you accepted.

They are likely looking for people who have at least a fair bit of an idea what they are doing, can stand on their own or at least partially and above all, want to join because they want to be part of the group, not for the ISK.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-02-14 22:26:51 UTC
Douxo wrote:
Cara Forelli wrote:
. I suggest you hang out in wormhole space solo a bit ).


I don't have the isk to throw away a Tech 3 Cruiser going into WH space to look for a fight.
i don't even have the isk for a Tech 3 Cruiser.
Hence why i want a mentor, i hear Wormholes can fund almost anything, im just willing to do whatever it takes to become efficient in one.


You don't NEED a Tech 3 cruiser. Plenty of other ships that can do WH stuff.

Low class wormholes (C1 / C2) can be done with a properly trained battlecruiser.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#14 - 2014-02-14 22:28:36 UTC
Ain't no rest for the wicked. We all have our histories, and gotta deal with them.

WH corps are particularly vulnerable to thieves since securing everything in a POS is much harder and less convenient than simply having a locked corp hangar in a station, or keeping stuff in peoples' hangars. Also, insisting on your inexperience as a selling point for trustworthiness doesn't really work because of:

  1. Your character's age. People who quit then come back appear now and then, but still look super suspicious when they claim inexperience.
  2. Inexperience in a place that requires a lot of self-reliance (like a WH) is not a good thing.


Instead, try to keep a positive attitude and insist on your motivation and will to learn. Show interest, ask questions, and convince them that you will carry your own weight (or as much of it as you can). Some corps will still be suspicious, while others might give you a chance.

Don't give up!

ISD LackOfFaith

Captain

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums.

Keno Skir
#15 - 2014-02-14 22:35:39 UTC
What are the actual reasons you were given when you've had apps rejected?

Do you have a lot of in-corp kills on your history? (Self explanitary)
Have you joined many corps for just a few days? (No commitment, no point training someone who might just up and leave)
Are you friends with people who are enemies of your perspective new corp? (Possible spy)
Have you recently recieved large unexplained sums of ISK prior to applying to the corp? (Possible Spy)
Is your killboard full of silly losses? (Eg poor fitting skills, pimped faction ships, duel tank, split guns, poor strategy)
Have you spent any time outside hisec? (Must be confident in own survival skills)
Do you know how to probe scan well? (No point being in a wormhole without this skill)
Will you be willing to PvP as well as just rack up the PvE profits? (Or only log in to farm)
Are you willing to alter your training path to include doctrine ships/fits? (Yes it is necessary for a serious wh corp)

○ ○ ○ Most Important Question Alert ○ ○ ○

Are you mature, clever and a fast learner and is this how you come across in game? Or are you turned off by actual research about the game (guides and forum searches), and more interested in easy ISK farming because you heard wormholes are profitable?
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-02-14 23:24:35 UTC
Douxo wrote:
I don't have the isk to throw away a Tech 3 Cruiser going into WH space to look for a fight.
i don't even have the isk for a Tech 3 Cruiser.
Hence why i want a mentor, i hear Wormholes can fund almost anything, im just willing to do whatever it takes to become efficient in one.


I suggest a stealth bomber. I've had quite a bit of fun in wormhole space in a nemesis and met a lot of people that way. It's relatively cheap and will give you the scanning and scouting practice that can make you an asset in wormhole space. I can recommend some fits if you like.

Want to talk? Join my channel in game: House Forelli

Titan's Lament

Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2014-02-14 23:33:31 UTC
Also the wormhole forum has a sticky with lots of info on how wormholes work. and there is a tutorial series on youtube ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6miRA8vCLmE&list=PLBD59459E625C2A27 )

also, if you read those guides and you come up with.. attach the doohickey to the thingamagob.. and you go.. wtf.. then come here and ask, they.. i was reading a guide and can someone explain.... you know if you cant find something using a simple google search with eve+doohickey :)

Most of us are more then happy to help people that are stuck in their own research.
Keno Skir
#18 - 2014-02-14 23:43:06 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
Douxo wrote:
I don't have the isk to throw away a Tech 3 Cruiser going into WH space to look for a fight.
i don't even have the isk for a Tech 3 Cruiser.
Hence why i want a mentor, i hear Wormholes can fund almost anything, im just willing to do whatever it takes to become efficient in one.


I suggest a stealth bomber. I've had quite a bit of fun in wormhole space in a nemesis and met a lot of people that way. It's relatively cheap and will give you the scanning and scouting practice that can make you an asset in wormhole space. I can recommend some fits if you like.


That ^ Do that.

I'll even help too if you get in touch. I spent most of my eve career so far fighting in various wormholes.
Douxo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2014-02-15 15:21:38 UTC
I can fly a Stealth bomber in about 3 days, so i'd be happy to try that.
I'm already very experienced in scanning, im doing High Sec Explo now, and i used to do ninja salvaging when i first started EVE. (because of all those isk making guides suggested it)

Yes i would like to do stealth bomber in Wormholes, i think that'd be awesome.
I'll hit up some Youtube vids and tuts before i add you ingame, and ill see how i go.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-02-15 15:32:31 UTC
Confirming that a SB is a nice and reasonably affordable ship to start your WH career in.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

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