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Something need to be done to stop the massacre of missioning ships and minning barges in hisec
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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#221 - 2014-02-11 21:26:52 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
He's talking about a pimp mission BS jumping into Apanake and getting whacked. There really isn't a way to avoid that engagement. You may survive it, but you won't avoid it.

Please read the thread for comprehension.

It will keep me from picturing you with big floppy shoes and a red honk honk nose.

People still haven't heard of travel fits I take it. Sigh. I was under the impression he was talking about freighters because they are the only ships in high sec that are truly defenseless if jumping into a gate camp.


If I have to travel fit to jump from my agent to the mission location, I'd be better off just taking a tengu and running missions in null where I have to do that anyway.

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Jared Lennox
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#222 - 2014-02-12 02:59:29 UTC
This thread smells jelly...

Dude it's nobody's fault when other bears like you don't know how to fit a ship. Nobody is telling them to buy faction ships with bazillion isk fitting them in an inappropriate way...

If we see a ship which is an abomination like this one we will make sure to put it out of it's misery.

Besides why are you complaining about the people who are making **** tons of isk because of ganking? Are we complaining when you guys are grinding everything in an isolated themepark environment like a machine? Some of us do yeah but we don't sit and calculate in an accountant behavior how much isk you are making.

Why does it bother you how much money I'm making or someone else is making. Play your own game and deal with it. If you are trying to be an advocate, sir this ain't no court.

I only see how jealous you are when people are ganking and having a lot of fun and you HAVE TO sit there and turn your 98435734th Blockade Mission in because your mindset isn't like-minded with gankers out there.

Think outside of the box. You might be actually surprised how organized and funny the gankers can be.

JL

http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#223 - 2014-02-13 18:25:13 UTC
Mojo Joo wrote:
Zero risk, hundred of billions destroyed in days, tens of billions profit in days... that is broken game mechanic.


This is interesting, as this exact argument is usually deployed by griefers in their campaign against highsec miners.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#224 - 2014-02-14 17:59:55 UTC
Mojo Joo wrote:
A gang of only 12 destroyers did 1500 billions damage in few weeks:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Megamaks+T44

Look on this and notice that something looks very wrong there... also notice how much money they make from the loot they get...

This guys effectively do a genocide between people who do missions, and if CCP not change something, i bet that at this rate of killings they will gone lose a lot of subscribers.

Is very obvious that is way to easy to kill very expensive ships in very cheap ones, and moreover, with new dumb pro-piracy feature of sec status instant boost, using pirate insignias, gankers can get security status back instant, and keep going on suicide gank ships at infinitum as long is very profitable too.

They cannot be stopped in that cheap and fast ships, killrights dont have any use because of same reasons...
So guys take care and brick tank your ships, but that will not help to much as long they use enough destroyers...


its just meat and we are hungry

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
S'ev'Ek
Corp 42 Select
#225 - 2014-02-15 12:06:06 UTC
Jimmy "Mommy why do we need a tank to go to the shopping in the Jita?"

Mommy "Because of the Gankers Jimmy"

Jimmy " Are Gankers Criminals?"

Mommy "Yes Dear destruction of personal property by another is viewed as a criminal act in all civilized societies "

Jimmy " Don't the Gankers get killed by Concord in High Sec?"

Mommy "Yes Dear"

Jimmy " Why do they do it then?"

Mommy " Because the rewards of High Sec Ganking are Greater than the Deterrents"

Jimmy " So the only people who don't want to stop High Sec Ganking are the people who make money from doing it"

Mommy "Yes dear"

Jimmy " I thought the tax's we pay in 'High Sec' were to pay for Concord to keep pilots safe so they can play the Game?"

Mommy "That's what a lot of people would like to see dear"

Jimmy "Does that mean being Concorded is ineffective against repeat Gankers in High Sec?"

Mommy "Yes dear"

Jimmy "Does that mean that through inaction CCP are allowing High Sec to be Taken over by Criminals?"

Mommy " Yes Dear "

Jimmy " Does that mean the game philosophy is broken?"

Mommy "Yes Dear"

Jimmy "How do we change it?"

Mommy " What needs to happen is enough players need to make High Sec Ganking a big enough issue for CCP to take notice".


WHEN GOOD PEOPLE DO NOTHING, EVIL WILL FLOURISH.
Kirsi Kirjasto
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
#226 - 2014-02-15 12:21:45 UTC
S'ev'Ek wrote:
Jimmy "Mommy why do we need a tank to go to the shopping in the Jita?"



WHEN GOOD PEOPLE DO NOTHING, EVIL WILL FLOURISH.



One post to your name, and that is the best you can manage?

Maybe you should spend less time whining about gankers and more time making sure your sad little carebear corporations don't get hacked and disbanded.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#227 - 2014-02-15 12:36:38 UTC
S'ev'Ek wrote:
WHEN GOOD PEOPLE DO NOTHING, EVIL WILL FLOURISH.


This is why people gank mission runners. Every time a mission runner dies to a gank, the good guys win again.

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DSpite Culhach
#228 - 2014-02-15 12:47:38 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Each time one of these threads start my balls boil with great vengeance and furious anger...

- CCP has already listened too much to carebears wanting to turn hisec into a no-risk theme park.
- Risk and non-consensual pew in hisec is what makes EvE special. Get rid of it, and you have just another WoW on your hands.
- WoW is that way ---->


If CCP changes a rule that goes against what you like, they are not "helping carebears", they are changing a rule that was not "working as intended" and any other interpretation are, at best, incorrect.

We can't have a game patched as much as EVE and not develop all sorts of weird side effects. Hisec is supposed to have the "lowest" incident of "creating conflict" with lowsec next and then null. Expecting hisec to have the SAME level of conflict creation is not what is intended. It has to be kept to an acceptable level, what that level is is not our direct decision, based on carebearing or ganking, it's based on their collected data.

There is no need to be that rude to players that don't share your vision. It's a frakking game for goodness sake.

I apparently have no idea what I'm doing.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#229 - 2014-02-15 13:51:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Serendipity Lost
"Mommy, why can guns be fitted to every ship but one in the game?"

"It's a pvp game son. The purpose of logging in is to blow up other space ships."

"But mommy, does that mean players can actually lose things in this game?"

"Yes son, they do. It's the only game like it in the world. It's what makes eve special, unique and different"

"Wouldn't it be better if no one ever lost anything?"

"No son, that's what all the other dime a dozen game are for. Eve is unique and the players should understand that when the log in"

"Understand what mommy??"

"Eve is a pvp game son. It's geared to blowing each other up. It's unique. It's what keeps its fan base playing the game for many years. While the other theme park MMOs fourish rise and fall - eve keeps going. That PVP is the life blood that sustains it. If eve were to change, then it too would fall like all the others."

"So... ganking a marauder in high sec.... that is what keeps eve alive?"

"No son, the epic free form struggle for survival keeps eve alive son, ganking a mission boat in apanake is just one small cog in a giant beautifle machine."

"I love you mommy"

"I love you to son"
Jared Lennox
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#230 - 2014-02-15 15:25:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jared Lennox
S'ev'Ek wrote:
Jimmy "Mommy why do we need a tank to go to the shopping in the Jita?"

Mommy "Because of the Gankers Jimmy"

Jimmy " Are Gankers Criminals?"

Mommy "Yes Dear destruction of personal property by another is viewed as a criminal act in all civilized societies "

Jimmy " Don't the Gankers get killed by Concord in High Sec?"

Mommy "Yes Dear"

Jimmy " Why do they do it then?"

Mommy " Because the rewards of High Sec Ganking are Greater than the Deterrents"

Jimmy " So the only people who don't want to stop High Sec Ganking are the people who make money from doing it"

Mommy "Yes dear"

Jimmy " I thought the tax's we pay in 'High Sec' were to pay for Concord to keep pilots safe so they can play the Game?"

Mommy "That's what a lot of people would like to see dear"

Jimmy "Does that mean being Concorded is ineffective against repeat Gankers in High Sec?"

Mommy "Yes dear"

Jimmy "Does that mean that through inaction CCP are allowing High Sec to be Taken over by Criminals?"

Mommy " Yes Dear "

Jimmy " Does that mean the game philosophy is broken?"

Mommy "Yes Dear"

Jimmy "How do we change it?"

Mommy " What needs to happen is enough players need to make High Sec Ganking a big enough issue for CCP to take notice".


WHEN GOOD PEOPLE DO NOTHING, EVIL WILL FLOURISH.



Althought I totally disagree, this post gave me a good laugh. Thank you sir. /sarcasm

http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#231 - 2014-02-15 22:26:21 UTC
Played around with combat probes and blapped two abandoned MTUs yesterday. Time to fit a rapexor and find some helpless pve boats to emerge some gameplay.

After all, why run missions when you can have someone else do it for you, and potentially pick up a risk free killmail?
DSpite Culhach
#232 - 2014-02-16 09:18:49 UTC
Off topic a little:

I still have ZERO idea how new players would just randomly come to play EVE. I lurked in the background for 2 years with people asking me to play, because of all the "nasty" things I kept reading.

I did some decent overall research before eventually starting, and already knew the amount of pain that would be inflicted on me if I did not pay attention to what I was doing. If you're going to go to Africa to see the frakking lions cavort in the Savannah, it would be first advisable to find out what kind of meat lions like to eat, and whether or not they are able to pry people from jeeps.

If you get a friend to join this game and then leave them to the wolves, you're a bad friend. The only ones that fly multi billion fit battlecruisers have done ZERO research and NEED to die in a fire. I'm technically more on the carebear side, and I STILL get that twitch in my eye telling me to suicide that player that just landed on station in a Gnosis. That's what EVE does to you.

Just saying.


I apparently have no idea what I'm doing.
Your Dad Naked
Doomheim
#233 - 2014-02-16 13:24:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Your Dad Naked
Serendipity Lost wrote:
"Mommy, why can guns be fitted to every ship but one in the game?"

"It's a pvp game son. The purpose of logging in is to blow up other space ships."

"But mommy, does that mean players can actually lose things in this game?"

etc...

Disagree with the OP. With that said, you are wrong too.

EVE is a PVP game. EVE's purpose is to be a PVP sandbox. EVE's purpose is not, "to blow up other ships".

It's a sandbox with player vs player interactions, everything else is a simple result of such freedom. Two traders engaging in spreadsheet PVP are engaging in EVE's purpose as much as two corps pewpewing eachother.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#234 - 2014-02-16 16:01:48 UTC
market pvp is boring. yeah you're pitting your isk pile against some other dudes isk pile, but is it really pvp? i've done some market shinanigans over the years. it doesn't compare to actual space ship vs space ship combat between players.

if you think being a jita trade king makes you a pvp boss - you're just (put something deragotory here). you get about as much adrenaline rush out of a good trade as you do out of popping a veldspar in amarr.



NOT THE SAME. STOP TRYING TO PRETEND IT IS
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#235 - 2014-02-16 16:38:38 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
market pvp is boring. yeah you're pitting your isk pile against some other dudes isk pile, but is it really pvp? i've done some market shinanigans over the years. it doesn't compare to actual space ship vs space ship combat between players.

if you think being a jita trade king makes you a pvp boss - you're just (put something deragotory here). you get about as much adrenaline rush out of a good trade as you do out of popping a veldspar in amarr.



NOT THE SAME. STOP TRYING TO PRETEND IT IS




I can confirm risking 20b on a market pump does not even compare to the thrill of flying a t1 fitted frigate around in empty lowsec....
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#236 - 2014-02-16 16:50:57 UTC
You're what I would call a poser. You act like you pvp, but you don't. You buy and sell stuff. Are you better than other folks and buying and selling stuff?? Most people in this forum could give a rat's a55. Really, go to the market section of the forum - you'll be on topic an people will like you there.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#237 - 2014-02-16 16:53:30 UTC
By your logic the average trade nets a player 20 bil and the average pvp encounter is wandering alone in low sec.

I see you clearly now. You have big floppy shoes and a honk honk nose.

Please don't get mad and out trade me.
Kiryen O'Bannon
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#238 - 2014-02-17 00:09:38 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
market pvp is boring. yeah you're pitting your isk pile against some other dudes isk pile, but is it really pvp? i've done some market shinanigans over the years. it doesn't compare to actual space ship vs space ship combat between players.

if you think being a jita trade king makes you a pvp boss - you're just (put something deragotory here). you get about as much adrenaline rush out of a good trade as you do out of popping a veldspar in amarr.



NOT THE SAME. STOP TRYING TO PRETEND IT IS


It is the same. In both cases, ISK is being risked, just in a different way.

Stop trying to pretend your playstyle is special. Anything you are allowed to do in EVE is engaging the purpose of the game.

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Victoria Thorne
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#239 - 2014-02-17 02:20:14 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
market pvp is boring. yeah you're pitting your isk pile against some other dudes isk pile, but is it really pvp? i've done some market shinanigans over the years. it doesn't compare to actual space ship vs space ship combat between players.

if you think being a jita trade king makes you a pvp boss - you're just (put something deragotory here). you get about as much adrenaline rush out of a good trade as you do out of popping a veldspar in amarr.



NOT THE SAME. STOP TRYING TO PRETEND IT IS




Victory over an opponent is what gives the rush. The medium hardly matters.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#240 - 2014-02-17 10:36:07 UTC
DSpite Culhach wrote:
Off topic a little:

I still have ZERO idea how new players would just randomly come to play EVE. I lurked in the background for 2 years with people asking me to play, because of all the "nasty" things I kept reading.

I did some decent overall research before eventually starting, and already knew the amount of pain that would be inflicted on me if I did not pay attention to what I was doing. If you're going to go to Africa to see the frakking lions cavort in the Savannah, it would be first advisable to find out what kind of meat lions like to eat, and whether or not they are able to pry people from jeeps.

If you get a friend to join this game and then leave them to the wolves, you're a bad friend. The only ones that fly multi billion fit battlecruisers have done ZERO research and NEED to die in a fire. I'm technically more on the carebear side, and I STILL get that twitch in my eye telling me to suicide that player that just landed on station in a Gnosis. That's what EVE does to you.

Just saying.



I saw it appear with high ratings on various mmo review websites for years and gave it a try with my friends. Didn't know about the level of griefing at all.

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