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POSes: I am a small portion of the community

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Celly S
Neutin Local LLC
#2861 - 2013-11-07 17:09:20 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
FightingMoose wrote:
CCP has made clear that fixing the POS system is high on their to-do list, but can't be done in a single expansion, and that the new POS system will be built from the ground-up. With these deployable pads, they've coded plenty of what would be required for a new POS system (and made that quite clear as well as dropping POS hints by saying that all of the code for deployable structures is new, and doesn't rely on any legacy POS code).

CCP Seagull's vision for the future of EVE online, if it can be believed (and I think that it can), requires a new POS system.


100% correct.

POS are an abomination. It's going to take a long time to fix them without breaking things in exciting and unpredictable ways. There are many other calls on dev resources. Deployables have the potential to offer an 'end run' around the issue for many of the things that people need POS for in the first place.



This is why I stated that "maybe" those are the start... it has the potential to be and the potential to grow, but after 9 years of a known issue and repeated threads, conversations and discussions, no one can blame folks for being skeptical, especially when that "vision" includes nothing but generic descriptions and no concrete "we are working on item 1, 2, and 3 which will allow us to go forward with item 4 if all works as intended"

It's also understood that when someone says "we are trying to make this item happen" lots of folks will say "but you promised" if it doesn't happen.
The easiest way to avoid that is to simply say (as one person did) "this is not a guarantee, but it is what we are trying to achieve", this is not verbatim as I don't have their statement in front of me, but it's the jist of it and it's spot on imho.

That way folks know what's going on without being able to tell CCP "but you promised"


o/
Celly Smunt.

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Dextrome Thorphan
#2862 - 2013-11-12 14:04:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Dextrome Thorphan
Celly S wrote:
Balder Verdandi wrote:
I'll buy my PLEX


If you are(or end up being) disappointed in CCP and wish to send them a message financially, plex is not the way to do it.

if something needs trained, you're better off to pay cash for the sub and save the money for getting 3 months at a time.
Buying plex actually makes more money for CCP than paying with cash/card/paypal and buying blocks of time longer than 1 month

A GTC that converts into 2 plex costs $34.95, that's $17.475 for each plex (month of game time) as opposed to $14.95 straight cash purchase for one month.
That same $34.95 that when converted to plex will give you 2 months game time can be made to give you 3 months time by simply adding $3.90 to it making a total of $38.85 and saving $6.00 or making CCP take $6.00 less to provide you with the same amount of game time and if you factor in the additional costs of the GTC it can be said that you are actually making them give you that same 3 months of game time that brings in $52.425 to CCP via plex for $13.57 less.

So, if you want to make a statement, PLEX is basically saying "Here CCP, have MORE MONEY!!!!!"

just something to consider.
o/
Celly Smunt.



This is only true if you live in America. For the rest of the world, in most cases, it's cheaper to buy GTCs.
Only cheaper eve-website option for me is if I take the 1year subscription plan. All the rest is more expensive than GTCs. And for australians even the 1year subscription plan is more expensive than buying GTCs.
Dextrome Thorphan
#2863 - 2013-11-12 14:08:13 UTC
Dring Dingle wrote:
Demyen wrote:
Oswaldos wrote:
Does anybody else see the new deployable personal hangers as a stepping stone to test the water for possible modular poses or is it just me?



Nope, not just you. They're very clearly a stepping stone, the careful beginnings of just the POS system we've been clamoring for.

I think in one to two years' time we'll look at whatever POS system is in place and go, "well damn." Whether that'll be a good "damn" or a bad one remains to be seen, but for a variety of reasons, I'm pretty sure it'll be the former.



Ahhh such optimism, I remember feeling that same way over 2 years ago .... I hope in another two years you don't loose it like I have xD

As far as the personal hangar arrays, are they not just poco's that are anchorable in side your bubble? I'm holding out for some real changes.... I think it's a stretch to call them a steeping stone.

O7 Dringy


lol yes, a CCP stepping stone can sometimes be the last step for years and years xD
Celly S
Neutin Local LLC
#2864 - 2013-11-12 22:14:06 UTC
Dextrome Thorphan wrote:
Celly S wrote:
Short snipped...

So, if you want to make a statement, PLEX is basically saying "Here CCP, have MORE MONEY!!!!!"

just something to consider.
o/
Celly Smunt.



This is only true if you live in America. For the rest of the world, in most cases, it's cheaper to buy GTCs.
Only cheaper eve-website option for me is if I take the 1year subscription plan. All the rest is more expensive than GTCs. And for australians even the 1year subscription plan is more expensive than buying GTCs.



That may, or may not be the case, and if so, it's cool, however, I also saw lots of people who were NOT from the US (America) complaining that they were having to pay the same price (or more) at the then current exchange rates for the Second Decade collector's Edition, so while what you are saying may be correct where you're at, I'm fairly sure that it's not that way everywhere.


o/
Thanks for the reply...
Celly Smunt.

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Santa Spirit
Christmas Spirit and Goodwill Toward Man
#2865 - 2013-12-11 23:07:00 UTC
POS love all year long...

o7
Santa

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Balder Verdandi
Wormhole Sterilization Crew
#2866 - 2013-12-12 22:31:46 UTC
All I want for Christmas is a .....




Modular POS setup so I can pick and choose what I want to do with it, like make ammo and components, moon mining, or have a black hole generator so enemy ships can be sucked up.

Or a plasma rifle in 40 watt range :)

Long live the failure of "Unified Inventory"!

POS fix dated back to 2006!
Santa Spirit
Christmas Spirit and Goodwill Toward Man
#2867 - 2013-12-13 00:03:18 UTC
Balder Verdandi wrote:
All I want for Christmas is a .....




Modular POS setup so I can pick and choose what I want to do with it, like make ammo and components, moon mining, or have a black hole generator so enemy ships can be sucked up.

Or a plasma rifle in 40 watt range :)




I can't give you that, but you're welcome to join us Saturday if you'd like to.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/player-stocking-stuffer-giveaway/

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Kelnarn Shaelingrath
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2868 - 2013-12-17 16:13:50 UTC
POS love please...

The mobile depot is a great item and it's already proven its worth in many a situation.

as Celly said above, it's a great start.


Keln
Temba Ronin
#2869 - 2013-12-20 18:57:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Temba Ronin
Malcanis wrote:
FightingMoose wrote:
CCP Seagull's vision for the future of EVE online, if it can be believed (and I think that it can), requires a new POS system.


100% correct.

POS are an abomination. It's going to take a long time to fix them without breaking things in exciting and unpredictable ways. There are many other calls on dev resources. Deployables have the potential to offer an 'end run' around the issue for many of the things that people need POS for in the first place.
With Malcanis we have a strong voice for the improvement of the POS on the CSM.

I sure as hell hope he is running for re-election because more work needs to be done.

The CSM needs strong voices and stable personalities to represent us all, a very diverse player base.

Malcanis continue to keep CCP focused on what make the game better for us the players.
Malcanis you have our back and come election time we will certainly have yours!

The Best Ship In EVE Online Is "Friendship", Power To The Players!
Temba Ronin
#2870 - 2013-12-20 19:08:32 UTC
144 pages since Two Step, the OP, started this thread. CCP please listen to our CSM and the player voices here. POS improvement should be a major priority. It will yield dividends and improve player satisfaction and new player retention.

The Best Ship In EVE Online Is "Friendship", Power To The Players!
Kelnarn Shaelingrath
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2871 - 2014-01-14 22:34:35 UTC
Wanted to throw a little POS love bumpage into the thread so it doesn't die out and become forgotten.

Keln.
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#2872 - 2014-01-16 02:27:27 UTC
I would like to walk in my pos. Get on this please Pirate

No trolling please
Cheekything
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2873 - 2014-01-17 20:39:14 UTC
So did anything actually change with POSes from this thread, not being rude I am genunely curious it looked lik
Anhenka
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2874 - 2014-01-17 20:44:12 UTC
Would you kindly.... keep working on this?
Gloria Stephson
Star circle
#2875 - 2014-01-18 05:40:25 UTC
*bump*
Because I still does not have heard anything from CCP that this is a issue they are working to solve.Cry
Ciara Talari
The New Eden Yacht Club
The New Eden Yacht Club.
#2876 - 2014-01-27 16:45:00 UTC
So, hows that POS overhaul coming along that has been promised to us?
Sheeana Harb
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2877 - 2014-01-29 11:10:33 UTC
Dear CCP,
a year has passed and I'm still part of this small portion of community. Do we have to riot on forums again to receive anything at all?
Balder Verdandi
Wormhole Sterilization Crew
#2878 - 2014-01-29 23:56:39 UTC
Sheeana Harb wrote:
Dear CCP,
a year has passed and I'm still part of this small portion of community. Do we have to riot on forums again to receive anything at all?



No one's home ...... you can almost hear the wind blowing through the hallways.

Long live the failure of "Unified Inventory"!

POS fix dated back to 2006!
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#2879 - 2014-02-03 13:26:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Altrue
Here take a Mobile Depot. Stick it to a Mobile Warp disruptor or a 0m/sec HIC, and here you have your modular POS!

You have your shield (Lol) you have your refitting and your storage... Quit whining!

(On a more serious note, when I see how useful the hacking minigame and discovery scanner are... I know where they could have found the developpement time for POSes... Said the guy currently managing 21 POSes for his corporation.)

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bigpaxi
Absolute Order XXXVII
Absolute Will
#2880 - 2014-02-06 14:18:04 UTC
Balder Verdandi wrote:
No one's home ...... you can almost hear the wind blowing through the hallways.


^THIS^


Pax