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Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#581 - 2011-11-25 19:27:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Gaines
Sameyaa wrote:

Not really, when i get fueled i dont need my own alt, its done by a alliance hauler or corp hauler. In any case only a hauler is needed. takes less than 5 mins.

To refit i need to:
1) Have a useless alt sitting in my staging system that has a carrier (yes we all have free carrier alts laying around)
2) Login super (needs 30 secs)
3) Take all drones from drone bay of alt carrier, put needed fighters/fbs
4) Undock, get in fleet, warp to super
5) refit 1or2 fb/fighter at a time because for aeons/wyverns they will not have the free room to move fb/fighters in groups.
6) warp carrier back to station, refit drone bay like it was before (which in itself is annoying)
7) Logoff super, and sit at pos with an alt to make sure it disappeares without aggression.

You see where i'm going with this? does it remind you of something? maybe fueling a pos would be easier.



hmm... let's compare things to a subcap pilot.

logs in
spins ship
oh look a fleet
load new ship
check fittings
adjust and swap fittings as needed
load ammo
undock


your time it took to have a rorqual or carrier swap out fighters/bombers takes less time than it takes for a subcap to prep for a fleet battle. You are just lazy.

Your corp, your FLEET, should be there supporting your super. There are carrier pilots that would LOVE to do that. Why? because then they have a reason to use a carrier other than POS repping...hell, let a carrier pilot be your bish and haul your crap + keep you alive if needed. like a squire. heh.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Sameyaa
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#582 - 2011-11-25 19:45:56 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:

your time it took to have a rorqual or carrier swap out fighters/bombers takes less time than it takes for a subcap to prep for a fleet battle. .


LOL so... what does a subcap pilot have to do exactly? ... get in ship and join fleet.
Charles Edisson
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#583 - 2011-11-25 20:22:55 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Sameyaa wrote:

Not really, when i get fueled i dont need my own alt, its done by a alliance hauler or corp hauler. In any case only a hauler is needed. takes less than 5 mins.

To refit i need to:
1) Have a useless alt sitting in my staging system that has a carrier (yes we all have free carrier alts laying around)
2) Login super (needs 30 secs)
3) Take all drones from drone bay of alt carrier, put needed fighters/fbs
4) Undock, get in fleet, warp to super
5) refit 1or2 fb/fighter at a time because for aeons/wyverns they will not have the free room to move fb/fighters in groups.
6) warp carrier back to station, refit drone bay like it was before (which in itself is annoying)
7) Logoff super, and sit at pos with an alt to make sure it disappeares without aggression.

You see where i'm going with this? does it remind you of something? maybe fueling a pos would be easier.



hmm... let's compare things to a subcap pilot.

logs in
spins ship
oh look a fleet
load new ship
check fittings
adjust and swap fittings as needed
load ammo
undock


your time it took to have a rorqual or carrier swap out fighters/bombers takes less time than it takes for a subcap to prep for a fleet battle. You are just lazy.

Your corp, your FLEET, should be there supporting your super. There are carrier pilots that would LOVE to do that. Why? because then they have a reason to use a carrier other than POS repping...hell, let a carrier pilot be your bish and haul your crap + keep you alive if needed. like a squire. heh.



so really a carrier can refit a SC with fighter bombers in a minute or two. I must have missed either their corp hanger increase to 100K m3 or their ability to hold fighter bombers.

seriously you must just troll for the sake of it.
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#584 - 2011-11-25 20:25:27 UTC
Charles Edisson wrote:

so really a carrier can refit a SC with fighter bombers in a minute or two. I must have missed either their corp hanger increase to 100K m3 or their ability to hold fighter bombers.

seriously you must just troll for the sake of it.



you carry 15 fighters/FB in your bay. You can hold 5 in your corp hanger. You can hold 6 in the corp hanger of a rorq. You can hold 5 in the hanger of another carrier.

You must have misread what you quoted.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#585 - 2011-11-25 20:26:39 UTC
Sameyaa wrote:
Vincent Gaines wrote:

your time it took to have a rorqual or carrier swap out fighters/bombers takes less time than it takes for a subcap to prep for a fleet battle. .


LOL so... what does a subcap pilot have to do exactly? ... get in ship and join fleet.



Did you forget what it's like to fly a ship in PvP?

Here's a hint: It involves more than right click -> jump, right click -> launch drones -> ctrl+F.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Charles Edisson
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#586 - 2011-11-25 21:15:44 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Charles Edisson wrote:

so really a carrier can refit a SC with fighter bombers in a minute or two. I must have missed either their corp hanger increase to 100K m3 or their ability to hold fighter bombers.

seriously you must just troll for the sake of it.



you carry 15 fighters/FB in your bay. You can hold 5 in your corp hanger. You can hold 6 in the corp hanger of a rorq. You can hold 5 in the hanger of another carrier.

You must have misread what you quoted.


no a standard carrier can NOT fit FB in it's drone bay, a carrier can only hold two FB in it's corp hanger.

keep flaming and I'll keep pissing on them.
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#587 - 2011-11-25 21:28:33 UTC
Charles Edisson wrote:
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Charles Edisson wrote:

so really a carrier can refit a SC with fighter bombers in a minute or two. I must have missed either their corp hanger increase to 100K m3 or their ability to hold fighter bombers.

seriously you must just troll for the sake of it.



you carry 15 fighters/FB in your bay. You can hold 5 in your corp hanger. You can hold 6 in the corp hanger of a rorq. You can hold 5 in the hanger of another carrier.

You must have misread what you quoted.


no a standard carrier can NOT fit FB in it's drone bay, a carrier can only hold two FB in it's corp hanger.

keep flaming and I'll keep pissing on them.

Corp hanger, genius. 5.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Mauryce
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#588 - 2011-11-25 22:05:22 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Corp hanger, genius. 5.


Only 2 FB in carrier hangars. 5.000m3 x 2 = full
Sameyaa
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#589 - 2011-11-25 22:37:11 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Sameyaa wrote:
Vincent Gaines wrote:

your time it took to have a rorqual or carrier swap out fighters/bombers takes less time than it takes for a subcap to prep for a fleet battle. .


LOL so... what does a subcap pilot have to do exactly? ... get in ship and join fleet.



Did you forget what it's like to fly a ship in PvP?

Here's a hint: It involves more than right click -> jump, right click -> launch drones -> ctrl+F.



Nope, according to killboard i have almost 10 times more experience than you in fighting subcaps with subcaps. So your arguement is invalid. Try again.
Phunnestyle
Doomheim
#590 - 2011-11-25 22:38:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Phunnestyle
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Sameyaa wrote:

Not really, when i get fueled i dont need my own alt, its done by a alliance hauler or corp hauler. In any case only a hauler is needed. takes less than 5 mins.

To refit i need to:
1) Have a useless alt sitting in my staging system that has a carrier (yes we all have free carrier alts laying around)
2) Login super (needs 30 secs)
3) Take all drones from drone bay of alt carrier, put needed fighters/fbs
4) Undock, get in fleet, warp to super
5) refit 1or2 fb/fighter at a time because for aeons/wyverns they will not have the free room to move fb/fighters in groups.
6) warp carrier back to station, refit drone bay like it was before (which in itself is annoying)
7) Logoff super, and sit at pos with an alt to make sure it disappeares without aggression.

You see where i'm going with this? does it remind you of something? maybe fueling a pos would be easier.



hmm... let's compare things to a subcap pilot.

logs in
spins ship
oh look a fleet
load new ship
check fittings
adjust and swap fittings as needed
load ammo
undock


your time it took to have a rorqual or carrier swap out fighters/bombers takes less time than it takes for a subcap to prep for a fleet battle. You are just lazy.

Your corp, your FLEET, should be there supporting your super. There are carrier pilots that would LOVE to do that. Why? because then they have a reason to use a carrier other than POS repping...hell, let a carrier pilot be your bish and haul your crap + keep you alive if needed. like a squire. heh.


If I was to give an example of a stubborn fool bent on doing things for the benifit of only there own aspect of gameplay within the EVE community, I would give you Vincent.

Absolutely everything you say is hularious supercarrier syndrome rage. You are grasping at straws, everything you say is complete & utter biased rubbish, I mean do you even think about it before you blurt out this garbage. If your not trolling, then if I was you I would seriously consider seeing your GP.

Basically you would have us logg in, takes 30+ seconds,use a carrier,rorq,orca itty 5 etc to adapt our fit to what was needed, taking into account some people may only have a (dedicated) alt capable of either carrier or mb an itty 5, so that can take anywhere from 5-15mins say.
Now saying that our target was still there 15+mins later, we are finally ready to jump in. Now we face according to you, having to bring our Rorq, orca etc bridge it with our supers so we have our remaining compliment of Fighter Bombers handy as well as spare Capital Armor/energy transfer handy. LOL

Now say we got that far and the rorq, orca hadnt been melted within seconds. We then have to cross our fingers & hope that when we landed in system we didn't get bumped 50+km away from rest of the fleet. According to you,we are then supposed god forbid, to slowboat while possibly bubbled to refit & adapt to a possible ever changing situation. Supers very slow you know vincent, you possibly don't know,as you clearly state in everything you say,that you know very little. These needlessly complicated changes are resolved by a manditory 20 Fighter bomber & 20 Fighter drone bay capacity.
You are trying to make something out of nothing, and your only making yourself look damn stupid.This is among the list of reasons & justifications for the rightful amendment to the Super drone bay to 20 Fighterbombers & 20 Fighters, they are all given over the last several pages that you are in stubborn denial about.
Yet again you fail to see the full implications of what you blurt out!
Kerdrak
Querry Moon
#591 - 2011-11-25 23:04:24 UTC
This thread have lot of legit arguments against the dronebay capacity nerf, but trolls are doing a good job filling it with crap...
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#592 - 2011-11-25 23:48:40 UTC
Sameyaa wrote:



Nope, according to killboard i have almost 10 times more experience than you in fighting subcaps with subcaps. So your arguement is invalid. Try again.

Because all my PvP is done with this character. Perfectly valid.

Your turn?

edit: I'm being sarcastic. You seem slow so I figured I'd point that out.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#593 - 2011-11-26 00:02:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Gaines
Phunnestyle wrote:


If I was to give an example of a stubborn fool bent on doing things for the benifit of only there own aspect of gameplay within the EVE community, I would give you Vincent.

Absolutely everything you say is hularious supercarrier syndrome rage. You are grasping at straws, everything you say is complete & utter biased rubbish, I mean do you even think about it before you blurt out this garbage. If your not trolling, then if I was you I would seriously consider seeing your GP.


I love getting your panties in a bunch. This isn't just my point of view, but hey keep making assumptions there buddy.

Quote:

Basically you would have us logg in, takes 30+ seconds,use a carrier,rorq,orca itty 5 etc to adapt our fit to what was needed, taking into account some people may only have a (dedicated) alt capable of either carrier or mb an itty 5, so that can take anywhere from 5-15mins say.
Now saying that our target was still there 15+mins later, we are finally ready to jump in. Now we face according to you, having to bring our Rorq, orca etc bridge it with our supers so we have our remaining compliment of Fighter Bombers handy as well as spare Capital Armor/energy transfer handy. LOL


You still think you're going to fight solo. That's your problem. You still think you log in then jump right into combat. If you do, then you are stupid and with these changes you will die very, very fast.

Quote:

Now say we got that far and the rorq, orca hadnt been melted within seconds. We then have to cross our fingers & hope that when we landed in system we didn't get bumped 50+km away from rest of the fleet. According to you,we are then supposed god forbid, to slowboat while possibly bubbled to refit & adapt to a possible ever changing situation. Supers very slow you know vincent, you possibly don't know,as you clearly state in everything you say,that you know very little. These needlessly complicated changes are resolved by a manditory 20 Fighter bomber & 20 Fighter drone bay capacity.
You are trying to make something out of nothing, and your only making yourself look damn stupid.This is among the list of reasons & justifications for the rightful amendment to the Super drone bay to 20 Fighterbombers & 20 Fighters, they are all given over the last several pages that you are in stubborn denial about.
Yet again you fail to see the full implications of what you blurt out!



You are a complete and total idiot. You aren't bringing "either fighters or FBs"

You will have 15/15, ot 10/20, or 20/10. (for a Wyvern)

you act as though having 3 less of them will be your death knell. you act as though unless you have a full 20 of a particular drone than you are dead in the water.

By the way, your scenario is complete bullshit Lol


what this boils down to is you want everything.

Hell, I want unlimited ammo on my arties, I want to be able to load 1000 missiles into my launchers.

I want my Vexor to carry 5 sentries.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Phunnestyle
Doomheim
#594 - 2011-11-26 00:40:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Phunnestyle
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Phunnestyle wrote:


If I was to give an example of a stubborn fool bent on doing things for the benifit of only there own aspect of gameplay within the EVE community, I would give you Vincent.

Absolutely everything you say is hularious supercarrier syndrome rage. You are grasping at straws, everything you say is complete & utter biased rubbish, I mean do you even think about it before you blurt out this garbage. If your not trolling, then if I was you I would seriously consider seeing your GP.


I love getting your panties in a bunch. This isn't just my point of view, but hey keep making assumptions there buddy.

Quote:

Basically you would have us logg in, takes 30+ seconds,use a carrier,rorq,orca itty 5 etc to adapt our fit to what was needed, taking into account some people may only have a (dedicated) alt capable of either carrier or mb an itty 5, so that can take anywhere from 5-15mins say.
Now saying that our target was still there 15+mins later, we are finally ready to jump in. Now we face according to you, having to bring our Rorq, orca etc bridge it with our supers so we have our remaining compliment of Fighter Bombers handy as well as spare Capital Armor/energy transfer handy. LOL


You still think you're going to fight solo. That's your problem. You still think you log in then jump right into combat. If you do, then you are stupid and with these changes you will die very, very fast.

Quote:

Now say we got that far and the rorq, orca hadnt been melted within seconds. We then have to cross our fingers & hope that when we landed in system we didn't get bumped 50+km away from rest of the fleet. According to you,we are then supposed god forbid, to slowboat while possibly bubbled to refit & adapt to a possible ever changing situation. Supers very slow you know vincent, you possibly don't know,as you clearly state in everything you say,that you know very little. These needlessly complicated changes are resolved by a manditory 20 Fighter bomber & 20 Fighter drone bay capacity.
You are trying to make something out of nothing, and your only making yourself look damn stupid.This is among the list of reasons & justifications for the rightful amendment to the Super drone bay to 20 Fighterbombers & 20 Fighters, they are all given over the last several pages that you are in stubborn denial about.
Yet again you fail to see the full implications of what you blurt out!



You are a complete and total idiot. You aren't bringing "either fighters or FBs"

You will have 15/15, ot 10/20, or 20/10. (for a Wyvern)

you act as though having 3 less of them will be your death knell. you act as though unless you have a full 20 of a particular drone than you are dead in the water.

By the way, your scenario is complete bullshit Lol


what this boils down to is you want everything.

Hell, I want unlimited ammo on my arties, I want to be able to load 1000 missiles into my launchers.

I want my Vexor to carry 5 sentries.


Exactly the scenario is bullshit, the scenario that you wished to force on us, at least your starting to see sence.
Having 3 less what are you smoking dude, will be 10-5 less ROFL who didn't finish maths at school.
As for you blindly saying Super pilots wish to use Supers as solo pawnmobiles, is your biased judgement really that far gone that you believe that.
The pinging aggro timer on its own, makes sure that all supers but the most stupid will not be flying solo at all. Supers if you hadn't noticed won't be able to loggoffski. Pinging aggro timer dude. Supers can't afford after the patch to go gun ho soloing, coupled with only able to use Fighters as an offensive ploy against Subcaps, it makes soloing a very unadvisery thing to do. Its not like we can bail out sentrys an get rid of the HIC/DIC.A half drunk DIC pilot would be hardpressed to not be able to keep a Super pinned down indeffinately. You really do have a huge lack of knowledge.

So you say we the Super pilots want everything, your own words.
That ofc includes us wanting the pinging aggro timer, & the change to only Fighter Bombers & Fighters.
We accept the HP nerfs although its not strickly a good representation of what the nerf should be, the nerfs generalized rather than individually focused on each Super, so what your saying is we are wrong to want all this. Us wanting this is wrongly biased as it only benifits Super pilots does it?!?!? Think befor you speak.
This benifits us all, we want it as much as every other person, gives GFs and puts to rest solopawnmobile labels. Develops supers into more structured support reliant roles. You seem to have not understood or read that at all.
Supers should have a manditory drone bay of 20Fighter bombers & Fighters for all those reasons over the last several pages have stated.
More than enough to justify the ammendment, but absolutely nothing to explain why 20/20 should'nt be implimented.

Ill tell you a fact, the reason it is so easy to reply to you is becuase im right & your wrong, doesn't get any simpler than that. I don't have to make anything up, whilst you evidently do, as has been said, it only makes you look more of a fool.

LOL&U again, loving your emo rage, but wish you could give a serious conversation rather than nonescence.

Edited -> P.S. read your post again & LOL@U again
Sameyaa
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#595 - 2011-11-26 01:28:17 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Sameyaa wrote:



Nope, according to killboard i have almost 10 times more experience than you in fighting subcaps with subcaps. So your arguement is invalid. Try again.

Because all my PvP is done with this character. Perfectly valid.

Your turn?

edit: I'm being sarcastic. You seem slow so I figured I'd point that out.


Then man up and post with your main?

Also, stop posting stupid troll posts like:

Vincent Gaines wrote:
Did you forget what it's like to fly a ship in PvP?

Here's a hint: It involves more than right click -> jump, right click -> launch drones -> ctrl+F.


Only makes you look like an idiot. But according to you, people with supers only pvp with their supers, amirite?
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#596 - 2011-11-26 05:24:35 UTC
Phunnestyle wrote:
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Phunnestyle wrote:


If I was to give an example of a stubborn fool bent on doing things for the benifit of only there own aspect of gameplay within the EVE community, I would give you Vincent.

Absolutely everything you say is hularious supercarrier syndrome rage. You are grasping at straws, everything you say is complete & utter biased rubbish, I mean do you even think about it before you blurt out this garbage. If your not trolling, then if I was you I would seriously consider seeing your GP.


I love getting your panties in a bunch. This isn't just my point of view, but hey keep making assumptions there buddy.

Quote:

Basically you would have us logg in, takes 30+ seconds,use a carrier,rorq,orca itty 5 etc to adapt our fit to what was needed, taking into account some people may only have a (dedicated) alt capable of either carrier or mb an itty 5, so that can take anywhere from 5-15mins say.
Now saying that our target was still there 15+mins later, we are finally ready to jump in. Now we face according to you, having to bring our Rorq, orca etc bridge it with our supers so we have our remaining compliment of Fighter Bombers handy as well as spare Capital Armor/energy transfer handy. LOL

Ko
You still think you're going to fight solo. That's your problem. You still think you log in then jump right into combat. If you do, then you are stupid and with these changes you will die very, very fast.

Quote:

Now say we got that far and the rorq, orca hadnt been melted within seconds. We then have to cross our fingers & hope that when we landed in system we didn't get bumped 50+km away from rest of the fleet. According to you,we are then supposed god forbid, to slowboat while possibly bubbled to refit & adapt to a possible ever changing situation. Supers very slow you know vincent, you possibly don't know,as you clearly state in everything you say,that you know very little. These needlessly complicated changes are resolved by a manditory 20 Fighter bomber & 20 Fighter drone bay capacity.
You are trying to make something out of nothing, and your only making yourself look damn stupid.This is among the list of reasons & justifications for the rightful amendment to the Super drone bay to 20 Fighterbombers & 20 Fighters, they are all given over the last several pages that you are in stubborn denial about.
Yet again you fail to see the full implications of what you blurt out!
listen.

Your 20/20 is based on the pre nerf bonus. The bonus was reduced. There's no entitlement, and that's why you keep getting butthurt. I keep thinking you'll get it but you still don't.


You are a complete and total idiot. You aren't bringing "either fighters or FBs"

You will have 15/15, ot 10/20, or 20/10. (for a Wyvern)

you act as though having 3 less of them will be your death knell. you act as though unless you have a full 20 of a particular drone than you are dead in the water.

By the way, your scenario is complete bullshit Lol


what this boils down to is you want everything.

Hell, I want unlimited ammo on my arties, I want to be able to load 1000 missiles into my launchers.

I want my Vexor to carry 5 sentries.


Exactly the scenario is bullshit, the scenario that you wished to force on us, at least your starting to see sence.
Having 3 less what are you smoking dude, will be 10-5 less ROFL who didn't finish maths at school.
As for you blindly saying Super pilots wish to use Supers as solo pawnmobiles, is your biased judgement really that far gone that you believe that.
The pinging aggro timer on its own, makes sure that all supers but the most stupid will not be flying solo at all. Supers if you hadn't noticed won't be able to loggoffski. Pinging aggro timer dude. Supers can't afford after the patch to go gun ho soloing, coupled with only able to use Fighters as an offensive ploy against Subcaps, it makes soloing a very unadvisery thing to do. Its not like we can bail out sentrys an get rid of the HIC/DIC.A half drunk DIC pilot would be hardpressed to not be able to keep a Super pinned down indeffinately. You really do have a huge lack of knowledge.

So you say we the Super pilots want everything, your own words.
That ofc includes us wanting the pinging aggro timer, & the change to only Fighter Bombers & Fighters.
We accept the HP nerfs although its not strickly a good representation of what the nerf should be, the nerfs generalized rather than individually focused on each Super, so what your saying is we are wrong to want all this. Us wanting this is wrongly biased as it only benifits Super pilots does it?!?!? Think befor you speak.
This benifits us all, we want it as much as every other person, gives GFs and puts to rest solopawnmobile labels. Develops supers into more structured support reliant roles. You seem to have not understood or read that at all.
Supers should have a manditory drone bay of 20Fighter bombers & Fighters for all those reasons over the last several pages have stated.
More than enough to justify the ammendment, but absolutely nothing to explain why 20/20 should'nt be implimented.

Ill tell you a fact, the reason it is so easy to reply to you is becuase im right & your wrong, doesn't get any simpler than that. I don't have to make anything up, whilst you evidently do, as has been said, it only makes you look more of a fool.

LOL&U again, loving your emo rage, but wish you could give a serious conversation rather than nonescence.

Edited -> P.S. read your post again & LOL@U again

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Demon Azrakel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#597 - 2011-11-26 06:22:19 UTC
CCP Tallest wrote:
I am still reading everything in this thread.
I did go on vacation about a week ago. This was after the cutoff date for changes that make it into the Crucible expansion had passed.

Will we remove capital drone bay parts from Titans and Dreadnoughts? Yes, this was done for Crucible.

Will I consider increasing the drone bay of supers so that they can hold 20 fighters and 20 fighter bombers? Yes, I will consider it after Crucible.

I believe that the current set of changes will have an overall positive effect on fleet fights. It's entirely possible that they will not. But whatever the effect, I will be reading your feedback, balancing work will continue and things will change again.


Can we get a response on the state of the Chimera's CPU? The Chimera is near useless because of the limitations its CPU imposes on it that every other carrier does not have a problem with or can work around at least (assuming in the case of the thanny and nid that you run 3x of one type and add a shield or armor one in for those o-**** moments. Also, for those other two you will be disadvantaged if you only have an armor or shield booster in fleet given the near requirement to mix tanks).

This should fit, given that the equivalent (dual rep dual eanm) fits on the Archon.
[Chimera, T2]
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Capital Shield Booster I
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Triage Module I
Capital Energy Transfer Array I
Capital Shield Transporter I
Capital Shield Transporter I
Capital Shield Transporter I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Scratch that, turns out that an Archon can run four capital remote reps. The Chimera needs a massive CPU boost (10% minimum, it could go as high as 20%)
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#598 - 2011-11-26 08:25:30 UTC
Sameyaa wrote:
Vincent Gaines wrote:

your time it took to have a rorqual or carrier swap out fighters/bombers takes less time than it takes for a subcap to prep for a fleet battle. .


LOL so... what does a subcap pilot have to do exactly? ... get in ship and join fleet.

oh noo another butthurt sc owner , oh nooo ... lets help him out he is so pooor bruhuhu
wanking monkey girl
Doomheim
#599 - 2011-11-26 13:32:32 UTC  |  Edited by: wanking monkey girl
ccp think about rewarding the hard work of your loyal eve fans and addicts
pilots/corps/alliances have spent years to build up their fleet give them something back.

their will be many supercarrier pilots stuck in ships give them the option to swich out and use the toons for something else, let them dock and be useful again.

as many have pointed out with the agro timer you will see many more die in the weeks and month that follow..
but also fix the self destruct add so ships in combat can not self destruct.

with the planed changes being introduced allow them to dock and turn the super carriers in to advanced carriers.
let advanced carriers dock their not a unique ship anymore and give you have some battleships close to its size.

the suggested change to allow them to have 20 fighters and 20 fighter bombers is a welcomed one

A lot of the changes coming in to play soon are welcomed but some of them are just odd.
removal of drone bay parts from titans and dreds are a given but to increasing the number of other parts is a punch in the face.
t2 triage needs a a longer rep range but a longer lock range is again odd, the lock range has never need an issue.
the short time of dreds in Siege again great, but they need their lock time and and tracking increased.

now let the small minority toll away >> goons you can troll away
Zarak1 Kenpach1
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#600 - 2011-11-26 15:40:14 UTC
Demon Azrakel wrote:
CCP Tallest wrote:
I am still reading everything in this thread.
I did go on vacation about a week ago. This was after the cutoff date for changes that make it into the Crucible expansion had passed.

Will we remove capital drone bay parts from Titans and Dreadnoughts? Yes, this was done for Crucible.

Will I consider increasing the drone bay of supers so that they can hold 20 fighters and 20 fighter bombers? Yes, I will consider it after Crucible.

I believe that the current set of changes will have an overall positive effect on fleet fights. It's entirely possible that they will not. But whatever the effect, I will be reading your feedback, balancing work will continue and things will change again.


Can we get a response on the state of the Chimera's CPU? The Chimera is near useless because of the limitations its CPU imposes on it that every other carrier does not have a problem with or can work around at least (assuming in the case of the thanny and nid that you run 3x of one type and add a shield or armor one in for those o-**** moments. Also, for those other two you will be disadvantaged if you only have an armor or shield booster in fleet given the near requirement to mix tanks).

This should fit, given that the equivalent (dual rep dual eanm) fits on the Archon.
[Chimera, T2]
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Capital Shield Booster I
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Triage Module I
Capital Energy Transfer Array I
Capital Shield Transporter I
Capital Shield Transporter I
Capital Shield Transporter I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Scratch that, turns out that an Archon can run four capital remote reps. The Chimera needs a massive CPU boost (10% minimum, it could go as high as 20%)


i was arguing for just a modest +5 in cpu but hey i guess we need to go big or go home lest ccp adds just 2 cpu to it instead of 5 har har har

+1

/signed