Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Warp Core Strength should be depending on the ship size -not to nerf anything, but for sake of balance. Being able to stop a large BS or even capital with a noobship does not make sense at all. It's like an attempt to jam a 100dB signal with 3dB noise.

Therefore I'd suggest to give larger ships more default warp-core strength for example as follows:

• frig: 0 (or 1)
• dessy: 1 (or 2)
• cruiser: 2 (or 3)
• bc: 3
• bs: 4
• cap: 5

On the opposite site, larger ships should get more default scramble-strength:
Warp disruptor strength: 0,5 * own warp-core strength (but minimum 1)
Warp scrambler strength: 1 * own warp-core strength (but minimum 2)
Any additional locked scrambler gives +2 (+1 for the disruptor)

Of course, Interceptors and Interdictors (and their T1-Versions) should receive some bonus to the scramble-strength (+2 or +3) to fullfill their purpose.

As an example: to scramble a BS you need at least +5 scramble-strength. Therefore a normal Frig would need to fit 3 scramblers (0 + 3*2) while a battlecruiser would need 2 scramblers (3 base +2 from 2nd scrambler). A battleship could scramble a destroyer even with a disruptor (0,5 * 4 = 2 vs the 1 of the dessy), but it has the disadvantage of slow targetlock, while the smaller ships get faster lock, but need more modules to scramble larger ships.

The intention of this would be to keep fleet-based PvP almost untouched, while [unprepared] solo players in their Assault-Frigs or Destroyers would loose some opportunity in easily killing far larger targets that may cross their way.

And how exactly is this a problem that needs fixing?

Uhh, why?

Untrue. This would affect T1 frigates, for example... a particularly egregious and unwarranted nerf, at that.


Bigger =/= better. If you're in a big fat ship with no good defence against small quick things, you totally deserve to explode if a clever frigate can sneak in under your guns and tackle you.


Your agreement is not required. It is a particularly ancient and venerable EVE tradition that even the rawest of newbies, with mere hours of training, can contribute meaningfully in PvP fights by tackling large ships. Your arguments fail to present anything remotely approaching a good reason to change this.

To stop frigates online ?

Stopping big ships at gate camps is too easy.

Who takes bs on roams these days and its not just because there slow ass , the problem was therefore before the warp cahnges.



Personally I would prefer additional strength to come from cruiser and bs sized tackle mods with extra range as well
The whole tackle situation including webs should have ship size variations in the same manner as pretty much everyother mod in game.



Base tackle mods

Frig Dis 20k 1 point
Frig Srm 9k 2 point

Cruise Dis 40k 2 point
Cruise Scm 18k 4 point

BS Dis 80k 4 points
BS Scm 36k 8 points

CS Dis 160k 8 points
CS Scm 72k 16 points

Yes, those that are not intended for tackling, would get a disadvantage at tackling. Intended...
I never claimed that bigger is better, but for some purpose it might be the only way -especially thinking of people not having the skills for T2/T3-Cruisers. Of course you can always fit a few webs and tracking computer to make your guns catch the target, which is why I never mentioned "a problem" anywhere... I was just talking about balancing. It would be a change like the recent warp-acceleration... There was no urgent need for that, but it sure improves gameplay.
First of all, this is a discussion board, we are in the section "feature and idea-discussion". I dislike current game-mechanics and propose a way of improvement based on physics. But you're right... my agreement is not required, EVE is not a democrazy, CCP decides. So, following your logic, your agreement is also not requirement if they decide to implement this in the game, but you will probaly still dislike it. For this reason we have the discussion here to evaluate advantages and drawbacks, so CCP gets an impression what the community would like to see being (not) changed and how. Secondly, newbies could still participate in PvP, Executioneer (T1-Interceptor) for example is trained in few minutes including necessary fittings. Tackling would just become a more specific role. Like Interdiction. That even requires one specific ship. Who complains about that?

@Gawain Edmond:
Two scenarious:
Domi as Defender: attacking it will get a frig killed quickly, so tackling a domi in a frig is not working at the moment as well
Domi as Attacker: Once again, it first needs to aquire target-lock. Small ships have enough time to warp off. For large ships, there is no change. They can scramble each other anyway, just that for the defender it's usually of lower priority to scramble his attacker...
Stabis on the Domi greatly reduce range... usefull for baits with added security for yourself: maybe yes, but still no change to current situation when it comes to PvP itself.

Back to topic: How much people are moving battleships in(to) Low? You cannot move anything larger than a cruiser through a few gates without getting involved in unwanted PvP (which scares off a lot of players who think High-Sec is to boring, but low-sec to dangerous for the everyday activity). Reason are not the quite rare fleet-gate-camps, but the 1 to 2 man gate-camps at every 2nd gate with their destroyers. (Stabis are not solving this) Even if you manage to kill them, probably some1 else will jump and scramble you again before you warp. Moving a BS through low without your own fleet that can get you covered = PITA
Now based on my proposal, if they can't scramble you, because they were not expecting a large ship, it's their fault. Larger fleets will still have their fast-locking frigs that will be a dedicated scrambler and are fitted accordingly. As mentioned above, it just becomes a more specific role.

Just as a reminder: number in first post are examples, they may need adjustment...

kind of an interesting idea, as well as a nice little buff to battleships.

I feel like it would break too much stuff though.

It doesnt preclude new players any more than it precludes anyone else flying a frig.

Given that
lazer progression is seen as good
hybrid progression is seen as good
projectile progression is seen as good
missile progression is seen as good
energy warfare progression is seen as good
ship hull progression progression is seen as good

why consider tackle progression as being bad ?

Apart from a zoo where is there tackle progression atm ?

Players training up through better levels of tackle is a good idea not a bad one.

If it takes 3 noobs ships to stop a battle ship then thats great too.
Teachin them noobs team work at an early age is good.

One noob frigate stopping a bs in its tracks is overpowered.

The wolf pack versus bear model woule be much more preferable.

Survivability boosts of small ships v large have been great changes to the game , but it has tended to make the game frig online esp in low sec.

The game could see many more options become viable with a review of how tackle works.

F*** PvP frigates: The Thread!

When everything has more warp scramble strength than you, and you have less warp scramble resistance than everything else, you are useless. Everything will pin you down, and you can't do the same to anything bigger than you.

This is a bad idea, and you should feel bad.

If you want more warp core strength, you should fit more warp core stabs.