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Highsec PvP-ers needed for foreverwar against Goons

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#961 - 2014-01-31 15:21:36 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
A Goonswarm diplomat who is a really cool dude recently implied that I hate SMA. Let me be clear that I don't hate entire alliances for the ****** posting of a few of their members.
I don't hate entire alliances, that's a strong feeling for a game but it does give you an idea of who's in it especially with a group as small as marmite.

edit: "small" not being a dig. Smaller groups generally have fewer variations in types of member.
I think he kinda just meant you there ... just saying Roll.
Yeah, don't worry, I got that. I understand myself and a handful on the Goons don't quite mesh and generally tend do just shrug, since what does it matter? Instead I focused here on the context of the post, which is dissing an alliance based on the posting from a single member.

Not really sure what got Mallak all riled up in particular. I think he's one of the ones where we disagree over high sec ganking, thus he hates everything I say. Honestly, I tried to care, but it just wouldn't happen.

Back on subject though, is there actually going to be a show of force from the lemmings tonight or are we expecting to see people docked. I've already posted my prediction on Gevlon's blog, but I'll cross post here for those who like to stay clean:

1. Lemmings and marmite will form 50-100.
2. Goons will blob.
3. Lemmings will concede and leave.
4. Gevlon will post a blog post claiming time wasted and opportunity costs declaring that a victory metric.
5. Lemmings will celebrate their victory by patting each other on the back wildly, at the same time as telling us all that the goons blobbing is a sign of weakness.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#962 - 2014-01-31 15:24:16 UTC
General Lemming wrote:
Usman Bello wrote:
So what's up? RvB was ordered back into the war? Lemmings must have made an impression reinforcing so many POCOs at once. Smile

What is going on here?
Yeh, we saw the call for help from Powers. We lolled at the panic call for reps.
I'm sure there's a really worried email somewhere calling for all hands on deck worried about the enormous odds the goons have been put up against. Undoubtedly this battle will make B-R look like the ganking of a noobship by comparison.

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Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#963 - 2014-01-31 15:35:11 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
we disagree over high sec ganking


Out of interest, what's wrong with high sec ganking then?
Danalee
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#964 - 2014-01-31 15:43:46 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
General Lemming wrote:
Usman Bello wrote:
So what's up? RvB was ordered back into the war? Lemmings must have made an impression reinforcing so many POCOs at once. Smile

What is going on here?
Yeh, we saw the call for help from Powers. We lolled at the panic call for reps.
I'm sure there's a really worried email somewhere calling for all hands on deck worried about the enormous odds the goons have been put up against. Undoubtedly this battle will make B-R look like the ganking of a noobship by comparison.


Will you head the call and fly your interceptor into the hearth of the enemie?

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#965 - 2014-01-31 15:45:48 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
we disagree over high sec ganking
Out of interest, what's wrong with high sec ganking then?
Well I'm of the impression that it's a little too easy and the repercussions are meaningless. Since you can move all your ships around using an alt and freely fly around in an empty pod, sec status has very little effect. When you gank while already -10, nothing is different, except facpo turn up just as you explode, and then when you're bored of ganking you can pop yourself back up to non-facpo sec status with a few hundred mil in tags.

For a game where it's supposed to be harsh and your actions are supposed to have consequences, it's pretty lame.

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Lucas Kell
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S.N.O.T.
#966 - 2014-01-31 15:47:06 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
General Lemming wrote:
Usman Bello wrote:
So what's up? RvB was ordered back into the war? Lemmings must have made an impression reinforcing so many POCOs at once. Smile

What is going on here?
Yeh, we saw the call for help from Powers. We lolled at the panic call for reps.
I'm sure there's a really worried email somewhere calling for all hands on deck worried about the enormous odds the goons have been put up against. Undoubtedly this battle will make B-R look like the ganking of a noobship by comparison.
Will you head the call and fly your interceptor into the hearth of the enemie?
Doubtful, that's back in storage. I heard people are get blown up somewhere in space so I'm actively refusing to undock for fear of my life.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#967 - 2014-01-31 16:13:40 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Instead I focused here on the context of the post, which is dissing an alliance based on the posting from a single member..


Sometimes it doesn't matter how clear & to the point one makes a post, people still believe there is some sort of underlying context.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#968 - 2014-01-31 16:15:02 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Well I'm of the impression that it's a little too easy and the repercussions are meaningless.


Because having to clear 80-odd killrights before I can go & rep POCO is meaningless.

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General Lemming
The Marmite Mercenaries
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#969 - 2014-01-31 16:19:38 UTC  |  Edited by: General Lemming
Professor Clio wrote:
If you're going to try to goad us back into the war so you can hide your impotence being the "scary RvB" you're going to have to try harder than that! Lol

I look forward to the excuses that are sure to be forthcoming when not a single goon poco dies.
Mehhhh mehhhhh welcome back in the war goads Big smile And that's how it will go every time. If you like it or not. 100% purple till you understand that the deal with Goonies isn't good for RvB's fun pvp thing. I want zeee olddd RvB fun back ....grr......
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#970 - 2014-01-31 16:25:27 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Well I'm of the impression that it's a little too easy and the repercussions are meaningless.
Because having to clear 80-odd killrights before I can go & rep POCO is meaningless.
Yes, completely meaningless.
That means you've ganked at least 80 people who then went on to make your killrights available in what, 30 days? If you look at the punishment that is per kill, it's nothing. Sure, if you save them up and do them all in one go then at the point you do it you'll feel the combined effort of all of them in one go.

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#971 - 2014-01-31 16:34:09 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Well I'm of the impression that it's a little too easy and the repercussions are meaningless.
Because having to clear 80-odd killrights before I can go & rep POCO is meaningless.
Yes, completely meaningless.
That means you've ganked at least 80 people who then went on to make your killrights available in what, 30 days? If you look at the punishment that is per kill, it's nothing. Sure, if you save them up and do them all in one go then at the point you do it you'll feel the combined effort of all of them in one go.


Yes I'm sure those 50m+ killrights are no issue at all to clear. All I have to do is undock my Ashimmu & hope someone takes the bait before a wartarget comes along. I'm sure I can get them cleared in the 3 hours leading up to the first POCO exited reinforced.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#972 - 2014-01-31 16:41:42 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Well I'm of the impression that it's a little too easy and the repercussions are meaningless.
Because having to clear 80-odd killrights before I can go & rep POCO is meaningless.
Yes, completely meaningless.
That means you've ganked at least 80 people who then went on to make your killrights available in what, 30 days? If you look at the punishment that is per kill, it's nothing. Sure, if you save them up and do them all in one go then at the point you do it you'll feel the combined effort of all of them in one go.
Yes I'm sure those 50m+ killrights are no issue at all to clear. All I have to do is undock my Ashimmu & hope someone takes the bait before a wartarget comes along. I'm sure I can get them cleared in the 3 hours leading up to the first POCO exited reinforced.
Surely a 50m+ killright doesn't need to be cleared for a poco rep? Just run a cheap logi rather than a full T2 and they'd have to pay more than the kill is worth to get it.

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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#973 - 2014-01-31 16:57:32 UTC
Look! After Professor Clio posted like a dozen times that RvB just joined for 2 weeks and only for fun, they are back in the war. Hey Clio, how is it feel to not only be the dog of Mynnna but being exposed as one openly? Look what he commented on my blog. I don't think he was sarcastic.

Also, I loved the "all hands on deck" Goon ping by Powers. I think it's time to remind him that it's all his fault. Had he not drop that Enyo on my AFK-grinding BCs, I never figure out this project, I'd reinforce some Goon POCOs all by myself, maybe alarm clock twice for the timer and forget the whole thing.

And you don't even have a clue little bees what's waiting for you on Monday!

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Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#974 - 2014-01-31 17:01:34 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
the repercussions are meaningless


Hmm maybe the guys that lose billions of isk to cheap t1 ships would like to hear about that Twisted
Edmark I
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#975 - 2014-01-31 17:05:06 UTC
Hey guys. We killed 59 Titans on Monday and CCP put a monument in game to our great victory. We are about to roll the south and are on the verge of defeating the greatest force we've ever faced. Hows this highsec thing going? Are we dead/broke yet?
Kirin Shiyurida
Suavissimus Investments
#976 - 2014-01-31 17:10:13 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
General Lemming wrote:
Yeh, we saw the call for help from Powers. We lolled at the panic call for reps.
I'm sure there's a really worried email somewhere calling for all hands on deck worried about the enormous odds the goons have been put up against.

The odds make this even funnier. lol @ goonies P

Lucas Kell wrote:

1. Lemmings and marmite will form 50-100.
2. Goons will blob.
3. Lemmings will concede and leave.
4. Gevlon will post a blog post claiming time wasted and opportunity costs declaring that a victory metric.

Isn't that exactly how partisans would fight an occupying force? Instead of clashing into huge armies that vastly outnumber you, you go out and commit acts of sabotage; attack supply lines (renters) etc and retreat back into the hills. Simply make the occupation to costly to continue.

This has worked out just fine in the history of mankind. I can't see why this wouldn't apply to internet spaceship games. They don't have to destroy all the POCOs; they have to achieve that keeping them costs more than giving them up.

I wouldn't be to fixated on the POCOs that much anyway. Spergtacus said that this is a permawar to shoot Goonies until kingdom comes and attacking POCOs is one way to have them show up for you. Somehow this turned into clever "Haha, you want all our POCOS, why haven't you destroyed them yet?!" counter-propaganda from the Goons.



Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#977 - 2014-01-31 17:22:56 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Look! After Professor Clio posted like a dozen times that RvB just joined for 2 weeks and only for fun, they are back in the war. Hey Clio, how is it feel to not only be the dog of Mynnna but being exposed as one openly? Look what he commented on my blog. I don't think he was sarcastic.

Also, I loved the "all hands on deck" Goon ping by Powers. I think it's time to remind him that it's all his fault. Had he not drop that Enyo on my AFK-grinding BCs, I never figure out this project, I'd reinforce some Goon POCOs all by myself, maybe alarm clock twice for the timer and forget the whole thing.

And you don't even have a clue little bees what's waiting for you on Monday!


So they are back to have more fun and you still fail at achieving anything. I am amused you find it worthy of posting about (and claiming it's a sort of victory, of course!). I mean, we all like to laugh at you - after all you are one of the worst players this game has seen - but openly placing your head under the axe? Now that is stupidity in its purest form.
Now, let us wait for Monday - I have a feeling your next failure will be of epic proportions.

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Kagura Nikon
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Minmatar Republic
#978 - 2014-01-31 17:24:12 UTC
Edmark I wrote:
Hey guys. We killed 59 Titans on Monday and CCP put a monument in game to our great victory. We are about to roll the south and are on the verge of defeating the greatest force we've ever faced. Hows this highsec thing going? Are we dead/broke yet?



You are exaclty where he wanted.. as soon as you finish controlling ALL of 0.0.. there will be no one to buy or sell your stuff.. no one to fight.. and then you will be forced in his mighty trap .. MUHAUHAUAHUAHUAHAUHA!!!

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#979 - 2014-01-31 17:29:02 UTC
Kirin Shiyurida wrote:
The odds make this even funnier. lol @ goonies P
Yeah... the point is the "call for help" was probably vastly overstated. Just think about it rationally for a second and consider what the likelyhood of them really calling out for help is.

Kirin Shiyurida wrote:
Isn't that exactly how partisans would fight an occupying force? Instead of clashing into huge armies that vastly outnumber you, you go out and commit acts of sabotage; attack supply lines (renters) etc and retreat back into the hills. Simply make the occupation to costly to continue.

This has worked out just fine in the history of mankind. I can't see why this wouldn't apply to internet spaceship games. They don't have to destroy all the POCOs; they have to achieve that keeping them costs more than giving them up.
Kinda, but they would attack meaningful supply lines. If everything in high sec the goons owned died, it would have nearly zero effect on nullsec, since the main logistics are done on out of alliance alts. With miniluv operating in high sec anyway, and the RvB deal the costs are small. Bear in mind the KB stats getting thrown around have nothing to do with the POCOs. Those are individuals that likely would have died to one of the many other high sec corps currently war deccing the goons.

Kirin Shiyurida wrote:
I wouldn't be to fixated on the POCOs that much anyway. Spergtacus said that this is a permawar to shoot Goonies until kingdom comes and attacking POCOs is one way to have them show up for you. Somehow this turned into clever "Haha, you want all our POCOS, why haven't you destroyed them yet?!" counter-propaganda from the Goons.
Indeed. I'm pretty sure his group will burn out from structure grinds and blueballing before the goons though.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#980 - 2014-01-31 17:35:36 UTC
Pete Butcher wrote:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Look! After Professor Clio posted like a dozen times that RvB just joined for 2 weeks and only for fun, they are back in the war. Hey Clio, how is it feel to not only be the dog of Mynnna but being exposed as one openly? Look what he commented on my blog. I don't think he was sarcastic.

Also, I loved the "all hands on deck" Goon ping by Powers. I think it's time to remind him that it's all his fault. Had he not drop that Enyo on my AFK-grinding BCs, I never figure out this project, I'd reinforce some Goon POCOs all by myself, maybe alarm clock twice for the timer and forget the whole thing.

And you don't even have a clue little bees what's waiting for you on Monday!


So they are back to have more fun and you still fail at achieving anything. I am amused you find it worthy of posting about (and claiming it's a sort of victory, of course!). I mean, we all like to laugh at you - after all you are one of the worst players this game has seen - but openly placing your head under the axe? Now that is stupidity in its purest form.
Now, let us wait for Monday - I have a feeling your next failure will be of epic proportions.


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