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Supers and hotdrops are the reason why a lot of PvPers are in wormholes...

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CCP we have spoken, we have explained & we have fought for what is right!
Many vets lay low, rarely wishing to talk about there views & thoughts, but I am proud to say that many of us from various alliances have showed profound support inface of this injustice. We have represented many, and represented ourselves well.
To every nerf the end result is suppose to be positive to all aspects of the EVE community, subcap/capital & super capitals alike. The nerf to supers however left no positives to the super pilots.

We commend you for the some of the changes you have made wich benifits us all,and gives us better fights. These changes include

The pinging aggro timer, commit to the fight yes great.
Limiting Supers to Fighters/ Fighter Bombers, again yes great move.

Your rebalancing of Supers HP is much to be desired, but we accept it as its a lesser error in comparison to the Drone bay nerf you composed.
Supers need individual attention really when it comes to HP balancing.
Aeon possibly nerf Armor/Shield/Hull by 15%
Nyx Nerf Armor/Shield/Hull by 10% & nerf drone damage bonus by half possibly.
Wyvern Needs no HP change
Hel needs a 10% buff Armor/Shield/Hull & no change to Remote Shield/Armor reps. The remote reps are really not important as a Hel WILL be primary.
These are possible changes to look at for the future of rebalancing Supers HP.

Cannot stress enough, the patch needs to be changed to bring about justice in this ill thought through change.
Supers need enough room for 20 Fighter bombers & 20 Fighters in there drone bay, its manditory!

CCP we have spoken, plz deliver justice.

How to balance Capitals fairly? Simply:

• Capitals cannot target any Ship ship hull which is Battle Cruiser Size & under.
• Carriers & SC's Can target any ship but only defensive modules work on non Capital ships (i.e. Rem. AR, Rem. SR)
• Carrier & SC drones cannot be assigned to assist other players - this is their only true offensive/defensive measure against other Capitals and not other gang members WTFBBQ drone squad
• Carrier Class should allow players to dock into their ship bay & jump with the Ship
• Titan class Should allow players to dock into their ship bay & jump with the Ship

Frankly, what has happened now with capital vessels was voiced way back when they were originally released and CCP chose to ignore those concerns so the nerf bat was always incoming & fools to those that can't or wont see that.

Just because a ship costs 1bill, 20bill, 80bill, should not make it an "I Win" button. This is an MMO game so this class of vessel should rely heavily on the support of others if you want to go blowing stuff to smithereens!

If you take them out without a support fleet, you deserve to watch them explode into a million pixels. If your support fleet dies, you either GTFO of dodge or Die with them.

Age old Eve saying:

"Don't Fly what you can't afford to lose" & "If it's too good to be true, expect the nerf bat to come out"

Simple.

The tears in this thread are hilarious. Please, carry on.

Good work, CCP. The supercapital changes are perfect.

Thanks for the changes thus far, they look good :)

Balancing changes never end, they are continuous and you can't use the nerf bat without offending someone. Don't worry about all the vitriol being cast in your direction. The changes are good, they are a good start, and they hold the promise of further good changes in the future.

Also, when you come to looking at the capital changes again, please look at the thread in the T2 modules section, as there's been a lot of discussion on fitting issues related to the t2 siege, and that ties in to the capital balancing here.

I won't address the issue of triage in wormholes. We all know how they are used, and junior varsity ~leet pvp~ gangs use them to great effect.

The real issue at hand is supers. CCP miss a lot of things, and fail to correct them. Remember flying a dread for the first time? Then they were mothballed for months. We don't want to see that happen to a ship, especially one which has to be sold or put on a holding toon.

CCP logic: "Let's make a minmatar carrier with bonuses to repair. That will be the 'healing carrier', best for triage! We did it boys, now let's go get some beer and fish then call it a day"

Player logic: "Oh my, there sure is a lot of resistance/cap/fitting ability on this archon. This will be the new 'healing carrier', best for triage!"

Example of how the road to hell is paved with the bones and good intentions of Second Lieutenants.

Eve players let this game's developers ignore too much for too long. We're seeing an acknowledgement of that, which is a bit promising. However, make no mistake, this isn't COD. This game is more expensive regarding money, time, or both. Many players use critical thinking to solve hard-coded problems. Let's avoid the problem before it effects an entire population who may or may not have the ability to leave a broken hull.

We give CCP the benefit of the doubt every time we log into this game. Aside from minor re-skinning, shaders, updated nebulae, code fixes - one must admit that this is the clunkiest, most unintuitive UI ever made. Most people never even play 'Eve' before they quit out of boredom and frustration. Yet we carry on, because this is the closest thing to the ideal sandbox MMO that the industry sorely lacks. When the massive unsub event happened, CCP realized that we were paying attention, and diverted resources accordingly. Some changes/additions were useful and elegant. You'd have to be mentally disabled not to realize the need for a lot of these small fixes that have been mysteriously rolled out in just a couple of months. Yet it took years.

I don't have years to sit by and watch an entire class of 20bil-each ships just sit in space because of a vocal minority.

For example: these recent de-nerfs (7.5% rep bonus to hel, extra fighters) were a response to a nicely-written, respectful forum post. A single person posted, then a few agreed. Now, that's the bonus we're stuck with. Think about that for a minute. You're in an office, reading forums and come across what seems like a good fix. Call or email the guys down the hall, get the change in. Then clock out and go home.

Tell me I'm the only one who witnessed that.

Well maybe we should limit your ships to 4 large hardpoints and 4 mediums. Just in case, you know, a frig gang attacks you or something?

You sir are a fool, if you would like to enlighten yourself, please read the last several pages. We have explained again & again why room for 20Fighter Bombers & 20 Fighters is a must, & I personally can't be bothered to take another self induced person through them, so as I said, read over the last several pages, you may notice that any arguments if they can be called arguements LOL given in place for defence of the decision not to increase the drone bay, have neither held any water at all and they have not been able to explain why this change should not be made, infact the huge majority of posts against are deemed no more proficient than being troll posts, as they are affectively only trying to pervert the course of justice. Your LOL arguement is no different.

Bravo glad to hear you are seeing sence, TY tallest for your acknowledgement. We only ask for this one change, it is by no means too much to ask for, we accept other imperfections in the patch for now, but allowing room for 20Fighter Bombers & 20Fighters is manditory & justification for what is immediately wrong in the patch. We look forward to this much needed change!