EVE New Citizens Q&A

Excellent point.

I also tend to think (although it is by no means a flat rule) that the majority of corporations with 0% tax are showing their desperation for new members. 0% tax might soun nice, but what are they likely to be able to do to expand and help their membership with no corporate income? As mentioned there are other / better ways to raise income, this is just my experience.

This.

For settled corporations that are build up with a solid leadership. The income likely doesn't come from taxes (or at least not from taxes alone).

The corp could have someone who builds and sells stuff on behalf of the corp.
The corp could have a corporate-trader that generates the income.
Or, the corp can have sugar daddies, aka members who don't mind donating some ISK to the corp when they have the chance.


The thing to watch out for in a corporation you are part of:

Why do they take taxes of your earned money?
Are they using the money made by their members to benefit the members (either directly or with a future goal - they have a solid foundation on HOW to get there and WHEN they expect to reach it).


In one of my former corporations we had an "official" treasurer. Regularly (usually every 2 / 3 - can't remember - months) he did sent out a mail or had a TS3 meeting with the corp, to explain where the corp was and where it was going financially.
He wasn't going reporting that we have bought "x" of an item for "y" amount of ISK. But he gave a general overview on income and expanses. And if we were making money, what it was going to be used for in the (near) future and what said goal was approximately going to cost the corp.

This made sure that the corp members knew what the corp was doing, how they were doing and what they why they were contributing with their tax payments / donations.

3 things that spot my attention:

1. In corp or not...anybody can shoot you, anywhere. Even in law enforced space.

2. Again judging all corps in EVE over 1 single incident. If EVE corp live was that bad, there wouldnt be that many real corps (not counting an alt corp nor holding corps).

3. The button for consentual PvP DOES change EVE majorly. By saying it doesnt shows how little knowledge you have (yet) about the game. What make EVE to be different then any of the WoW family MMOs, because its a harsh and different setting. That button will turn it into carebear heaven as those people will become untouchable.


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And corp member hostility if you ever come across it when you enter a corp...you should have done your research before joining as that is easily found out.

If later on by a new recruit, talk to leadership and likely they will make arrangements (kick member and possible refund).

I always thought that this particular rule made absolutely no sense at all. I think its only there - against all common sense - to ensure that awoxers and traitors can party properly. And yes, its a very good reason to avoid joining a corp, probably not the primary one for me, but certainly high on the list.

Irrelevant:

Why are you quoting my quote out of context?

I was pointing out that J'Poll's comment about non-corpmates being able to shoot (with consequences) was irrelevant to Snifnix Padecain's post regarding corpmate's abiltity to do it with impunity.

I wasn't actually aware of these benefits and that does make a big difference. Its always easier to accept a rule if there appears to be some sort of underlying logic behind it and I honestly couldn't think of any reasoning for intra-corp aggression besides "it makes it easier for awoxers to screw you".

That being said, almost all aspects of the benefits you mentioned can currently be handled using the existing dueling mechanic. The exception would be multi-player battles. At least with a duel you know you are about to get into a fight, even if your opponent tries to go further than they agreed to. With the intra-corp aggression rules on the other hand, you can be attacked any time, any where when you least expect it.

To me this sounds like a very good reason to steer clear of joining a corp, at least until I can easily afford to be ambushed and killed by a corp mate at the worst possible time.

Using your same argument, you could ask why CCP allows suicide ganking in highsec! During one of the mining barge buffs, many highsec gankers were complaining about CCP trying to make highsec safe, and a Dev came out and said that if they wanted to, they could simply make illegal Player vs Player aggression impossible to do in highsec (especially with the new safeties), but they specifically don't because they don't believe any area of space should be "safe".

The point is, CCP and most of the playerbase want there to be drawbacks and dangers to joining a corp. Think of it as the "an armed society is a polite society" paradigm, as your pissed off corpmate could do some serious damage to you and yours. Corps come with huge benefits: Corp Hangars, POS's, Shared Enemies, Shared bookmarks, Private Chat window, Corp Mailing lists, and most importantly, people to fly with. At the end of the day, it is people you fly with that generally keeps people in game, and that's the most important reason to join a corp (IMHO). It is every bit worth the risk of losing your freighter to a random AWOXer. And saving that freighter with the help of your corp mates will bring your appreciation of having a corp increase a thousand fold!

Most things in EvE are double edged swords.

For example: Bigger ships mean you have more firepower to dish out, but have a harder time applying that firepower to your desired targets.


As a new player/corp member, your corp could give you access to fully researched BPO's that you can use to manufacture items for profit. As a new player, you may struggle to afford operating a POS (let alone buying one), yet they can give you immediate access to Copy and ME research slots that you would have to wait 30+ days to access using an NPC corp. Access to a POS also could allow you to swap ship fittings without docking, or store loot in a system without a station, or give you a safe location to sit in space when there are hostiles around.



First off, I joined a player corp with 2 other RL friends of mine when I first started playing the game. We didn't recruit, we just wanted an easy way for the three of us to hang out and play together. They left the game after a month or two, but I stuck with it. When it occurred to me they weren't coming back, I started looking for a corp (being bored of running L3 missions). I couldn't fly a BS (let alone afford one). I had less than 100m in total assets, and I was still fairly ignorant of the game. I took an Agony PvP Class and fell in love with PvPing, eventually joining Agony and I've been a happy pewpewer ever since.

I realize that joining a corp is somewhat awkward and potentially dangerous, but use common sense:

1.) Look at the size of the corp: If it is 5 players, it doesn't offer much protection. I would recommend avoiding them unless you know the members before you join. I have some alts in Industrial corps about this size, and we occasionally get wardecced and attacked (because we look like highsec industrial carebears). It is the friends I have made, that allows me to bring in war allies and fight back. It was the friends I made that taught me how to setup a POS so that people just don't bother attacking it anymore. The truth is, it is the friends you make in this game that truly opens doors and creates content!

2.) Be smart about your assets. Anything in your personal hangar is safe. Anywhere else it is NOT safe. If you undock in a ship today, you need to KNOW deep down it will be destroyed someday, someway (usually because you do something stupid). Fly what you can afford to lose, and be careful with your assets. I remember the first time I lost an expensive ship (500m when that was a huge portion of my personal assets), and it was devastating. I felt I did everything I reasonably could to prevent the loss, and still I lost it. I remember losing my first 3b isk highsec Missioning ship, and again was devastated (at my stupidity). This is a game where you will lose assets, and you need to accept that NOW, and approach gameplay from that perspective. You might think of me as some spoiled rich veteran, and I'm certainly not poor, but the assets I've earned I've done so slowly over time, suffering many, many losses along the way.

3.) Look at the corp's history: How often do members come and go, how often are they at war, what timezone do they play in, what is their killboard record like, who are the corp leaders and what is their forum history like, what is their reputation!!!

At the end of the day, you need to look at joining a corp similar to voting for a political candidate: If you don't do your research, and just willy nilly vote for someone because they are charismatic on TV, then you're likely to be the victim of scams and treachery. EvE is very much a dystopia where there are no jailcells for criminals, but that doesn't mean everyone is a criminal that cant be trusted. Banding together is the best defense you will ever have against the unscrupulous members of this society!

So...easy solution, ALWAYS expect to be shot at, in or out of corp. What does it matter if an awoxer kills you or a suicide ganker. In both situations, you lost your ship.

2nd. Not all eggs in same basket. If you do that you are just asking for trouble, and it will find you eventually.

And on your last comment, so that will be never. As that is one of the most common traps made by players (I need 'x' amount of SP/ISK before I can do 'y'). It will end in the spiral where you think you will never be ready.


To each their own playstyle, but I really wonder WHY people come to an MMO and then go play it single player style.

As for the last shitloads of posts (including some of mine) they were all off topic IMO. OP for reasons why to join a corp and they were given a long time ago already. He never asked about butthurt stories of how 1 or 2 bad situations make all corps in EVE bad or personal opinions on working-as-intended mechanics.

Personally, the reasons listed (but you can be wardecced / shot at by fellow members) are just justifications by people that want EVE to be a single player game.