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Dev blog: More Deployables from Super Friends

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M1k3y Koontz
Speaker for the Dead
Shadow Cartel
#441 - 2014-01-14 23:22:49 UTC  |  Edited by: M1k3y Koontz
-Double post, please delete-

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
M1k3y Koontz
Speaker for the Dead
Shadow Cartel
#442 - 2014-01-14 23:24:53 UTC
Thatt Guy wrote:
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
A lot of people seem to be missing the point of these.

1) There is NOTHING mandating you put these up! You can simply sacrifice 5% of your income. Ohnoes!!! Now you're making 57m/hour not 60m/hour! The end is nigh, unsubscribe!

2) Have a cloaky alt camp the ESS if you put one up. When an inty comes to try to steal your hard earned cash, kill it! It takes 40 seconds to redeem the tags from the ESS, so you have PLENTY of time to chase off or kill a stationary (or at least super low transversal) inty!

3) ITS A CONFLICT DRIVER! QUIT WHINING!!! Now when you're out roaming drop one of these things and the local carebears can't rat away in anoms until they kill it! If they run anoms you can just steal 20% of their income. If they try to kill it, CONGRATULATIONS, YOU JUST GOT A FIGHT. Additionally, the automatic defensive bubble prevents kiting gangs from coming in at 100km, they start out at 15km away, just like on a gate, giving you a chance to catch something.

I wish we had these in nullsec when I lived there, a three hour roam would end with only killing a cyno-noobship and a whole lot **** talk in local.


Ok.
As part of the new expansion, you must now send me 5% of everything you earn, on every account, and everyone in your corp, and your alliance, and your renters, and your pvpers looking to buy new ships.


(Ohnoes!! Now you're making 57m/hour not 60mil/hour!)


If it means I can force a fight in any given nullsec system you got a deal.
People are forgetting this allows roaming gangs to force fights!

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#443 - 2014-01-14 23:25:04 UTC
I'd like a CCP statement on what they think of the whole situation. Clearly, the ESS is crap and they surely know that by now.

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.
Thatt Guy
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#444 - 2014-01-14 23:25:53 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Thatt Guy wrote:
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
A lot of people seem to be missing the point of these.

1) There is NOTHING mandating you put these up! You can simply sacrifice 5% of your income. Ohnoes!!! Now you're making 57m/hour not 60m/hour! The end is nigh, unsubscribe!

2) Have a cloaky alt camp the ESS if you put one up. When an inty comes to try to steal your hard earned cash, kill it! It takes 40 seconds to redeem the tags from the ESS, so you have PLENTY of time to chase off or kill a stationary (or at least super low transversal) inty!

3) ITS A CONFLICT DRIVER! QUIT WHINING!!! Now when you're out roaming drop one of these things and the local carebears can't rat away in anoms until they kill it! If they run anoms you can just steal 20% of their income. If they try to kill it, CONGRATULATIONS, YOU JUST GOT A FIGHT. Additionally, the automatic defensive bubble prevents kiting gangs from coming in at 100km, they start out at 15km away, just like on a gate, giving you a chance to catch something.

I wish we had these in nullsec when I lived there, a three hour roam would end with only killing a cyno-noobship and a whole lot **** talk in local.


Ok.
As part of the new expansion, you must now send me 5% of everything you earn, on every account, and everyone in your corp, and your alliance, and your renters, and your pvpers looking to buy new ships.


(Ohnoes!! Now you're making 57m/hour not 60mil/hour!)


If it means I can force a fight in any given nullsec system you got a deal.
People are forgetting this allows roaming gangs to force fights!


Or the ratters just , I donno, log?

Haters gonna hate, Trolls gonna troll.
Guns'N'Ammo
The Dark Resistance
#445 - 2014-01-14 23:26:31 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
A lot of people seem to be missing the point of these.

1) There is NOTHING mandating you put these up! You can simply sacrifice 5% of your income. Ohnoes!!! Now you're making 57m/hour not 60m/hour! The end is nigh, unsubscribe!

2) Have a cloaky alt camp the ESS if you put one up. When an inty comes to try to steal your hard earned cash, kill it! It takes 40 seconds to redeem the tags from the ESS, so you have PLENTY of time to chase off or kill a stationary (or at least super low transversal) inty!

3) ITS A CONFLICT DRIVER! QUIT WHINING!!! Now when you're out roaming drop one of these things and the local carebears can't rat away in anoms until they kill it! If they run anoms you can just steal 20% of their income. If they try to kill it, CONGRATULATIONS, YOU JUST GOT A FIGHT. Additionally, the automatic defensive bubble prevents kiting gangs from coming in at 100km, they start out at 15km away, just like on a gate, giving you a chance to catch something.

I wish we had these in nullsec when I lived there, a three hour roam would end with only killing a cyno-noobship and a whole lot **** talk in local.


1) Exactly and that is why no one will use this other than roaming gangs.

2) You must have missed the part where it will notify everyone in system that someone is camping the ESS.

3) Because so many people rat while there is a hostile in system..... Oh yeah right.
Wyn Pharoh
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#446 - 2014-01-14 23:27:10 UTC
MrBawkbagawk wrote:
oh look, a left handed nerf for drone space.


can we expect to see a set of faction items for rogue drones? no, of course not, that would be adding content. everything about drone space sucks compared to any other region including high sec and you make it even harder to earn a living?

who's friends are you, exactly?


There is nothing left handed about this nerf to Drones. I wrote about how the MTU was a left handed nerf to Drones, since without loot drops, the unit is mostly useless for ratting in Drones. Relative to anywhere else in Eve, adding the MTU has devalued an already resource poor area. This is a straight up nerf to Drone Regions, disproportional to how it will effect ratting in all other regions.

99.9% of ratting income in Drones comes off of bounties, with some few bothering to collect the fairly bad salvage. In any other region, 10-20% additional income can be pulled out of basic rat loot outside of bounties, with exceptional officer mods adding considerably greater proportionally to that value. This ESS will not negatively effect this 'bonus, harvestable' income, and there will be plenty living outside of Drones who will promptly say "No thanks, will just work just fine without one."

For all Drone Region inhabitants, this will just be a nerf. It will be straight up 5% off the top in an already difficult place to live, or it will be a massive headache to just break even, much less benefit from.

Will someone from CCP explain how to justify the DISPROPORTIONAL effect this will have on one particular sector of space? At the very least, explain why it is acceptable to continue introducing 'content' that is bad for the LAST 'new' K-space added to Eve? The Drone Regions at the absolute least must have loot tables reintroduced to balance the years of neglect and negative content development seen for pretty much all of the East of New Eden.
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#447 - 2014-01-14 23:29:26 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:

Indeed I do, and I lived in nullsec for a year. What issues are there with the ESS that makes it so bad?


If you can't be bothered to read the thread, perhaps you shouldn't be bothered with commenting in it.

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
M1k3y Koontz
Speaker for the Dead
Shadow Cartel
#448 - 2014-01-14 23:30:33 UTC
Thatt Guy wrote:
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Thatt Guy wrote:
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
A lot of people seem to be missing the point of these.

1) There is NOTHING mandating you put these up! You can simply sacrifice 5% of your income. Ohnoes!!! Now you're making 57m/hour not 60m/hour! The end is nigh, unsubscribe!

2) Have a cloaky alt camp the ESS if you put one up. When an inty comes to try to steal your hard earned cash, kill it! It takes 40 seconds to redeem the tags from the ESS, so you have PLENTY of time to chase off or kill a stationary (or at least super low transversal) inty!

3) ITS A CONFLICT DRIVER! QUIT WHINING!!! Now when you're out roaming drop one of these things and the local carebears can't rat away in anoms until they kill it! If they run anoms you can just steal 20% of their income. If they try to kill it, CONGRATULATIONS, YOU JUST GOT A FIGHT. Additionally, the automatic defensive bubble prevents kiting gangs from coming in at 100km, they start out at 15km away, just like on a gate, giving you a chance to catch something.

I wish we had these in nullsec when I lived there, a three hour roam would end with only killing a cyno-noobship and a whole lot **** talk in local.


Ok.
As part of the new expansion, you must now send me 5% of everything you earn, on every account, and everyone in your corp, and your alliance, and your renters, and your pvpers looking to buy new ships.


(Ohnoes!! Now you're making 57m/hour not 60mil/hour!)


If it means I can force a fight in any given nullsec system you got a deal.
People are forgetting this allows roaming gangs to force fights!


Or the ratters just , I donno, log?


Congrats on ruining 50 guys' evening of ratting. Pass go, collect tears.

If its a big alliance's (is there any other kind of alliance?) home system then odds are you'll get a fight.

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Space Danger
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#449 - 2014-01-14 23:31:19 UTC
Any nullsec alliance leaders with their heads screwed on will ban these things from being used in their space, "if you see one, kill it.".

Again CCP try to add more pointless glitter onto the (increasingly large) pile of legitimate problems with eve instead of fixing them.

Here's an idea, stop wasting man-hours on this deployable garbage and fix Pos mechanics.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#450 - 2014-01-14 23:31:23 UTC
Thatt Guy wrote:


Or the ratters just , I donno, log?

That's not an argument though. Ratting free of external intervention isn't some god given right.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#451 - 2014-01-14 23:31:38 UTC
No COncord means a disunited response to drones.
This means that they will expand readily.
So given CCP makes lore connections, perhaps they will say the extensive usage of MTUs has them feel threatened by the lost "food" and the loss of a unified front on them by the Empires results in them becoming a bigger threat.
Suddenly they have a lore based and good reason to aid the drone regions by making them get cool stuff
Like say wildcard faction drops due to them now raid and pillaging instead of scavenging
M1k3y Koontz
Speaker for the Dead
Shadow Cartel
#452 - 2014-01-14 23:31:46 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
M1k3y Koontz wrote:

Indeed I do, and I lived in nullsec for a year. What issues are there with the ESS that makes it so bad?


If you can't be bothered to read the thread, perhaps you shouldn't be bothered with commenting in it.


All I hear is a neutral alt that can't formulate an arguement.

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#453 - 2014-01-14 23:33:12 UTC
ESS as a new cloaking ship detector around gate camps?

Helios detected!
Nasro Drags
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#454 - 2014-01-14 23:33:41 UTC
On ESS,

Increase max bonus to something around 120 to 150% and it might be used.

Why would anyone in null sec risk losing a big chunk of their isk making for 5%? With a decent advantage, people will put them, and gangs will have targets. Also, it needs to give locals time to organize... you can't get an organized fight in little over a minute, that's barely enough time to dock, undock and warp to site...

Or do you expect gangs to offensively place them? Cause that would be insane... Other than afkers and such, gangs won't place them cause ratters just dock when reds show up. The ESS won't steal
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#455 - 2014-01-14 23:34:42 UTC
Space Danger wrote:
Any nullsec alliance leaders with their heads screwed on will ban these things from being used in their space, "if you see one, kill it.".

Again CCP try to add more pointless glitter onto the (increasingly large) pile of legitimate problems with eve instead of fixing them.

Here's an idea, stop wasting man-hours on this deployable garbage and fix Pos mechanics.

Meaning that now to kill it you have to fight, on the terms the dropping gang set.
Ooh fun times.

Also depolyables are the fix to POS code.
Note that we now just need the industry and defensive mods and you have a POS again.
Well obviously if they tweak siphons to also pull from moons (please do this, I want the hilarity to ensue)
Thatt Guy
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#456 - 2014-01-14 23:35:31 UTC
Ok.
Take 5% of a ratters isk so that pvpers can get "tears"?
Shouldn't it be called a mobile griefing unit?

Haters gonna hate, Trolls gonna troll.
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#457 - 2014-01-14 23:35:57 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:

Congrats on ruining 50 guys' evening of ratting. Pass go, collect tears.

If its a big alliance's (is there any other kind of alliance?) home system then odds are you'll get a fight.



OK, now I KNOW you don't play this game.

50 people utilizing one system???

Home system used for ratting????

Just stop now...

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#458 - 2014-01-14 23:36:54 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
All I hear is a neutral alt that can't formulate an arguement.


All relevant arguments have been made time and again (please see pages one through twenty).

Also, people post on their mains?

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
Space Danger
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#459 - 2014-01-14 23:38:06 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
Space Danger wrote:
Any nullsec alliance leaders with their heads screwed on will ban these things from being used in their space, "if you see one, kill it.".

Again CCP try to add more pointless glitter onto the (increasingly large) pile of legitimate problems with eve instead of fixing them.

Here's an idea, stop wasting man-hours on this deployable garbage and fix Pos mechanics.

Meaning that now to kill it you have to fight, on the terms the dropping gang set.
Ooh fun times.

Also depolyables are the fix to POS code.
Note that we now just need the industry and defensive mods and you have a POS again.
Well obviously if they tweak siphons to also pull from moons (please do this, I want the hilarity to ensue)


The concept of these creating fights won't work. As said before, with neuts/reds in local ratters won't generate isk and people who want rid of it will wait untill local is clear to do so. Increasing the amount of small gang PVP it will not.

This type of thinking MIGHT work in lowsec, but alliance held sov? nope.
Garnoo
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#460 - 2014-01-14 23:38:36 UTC
Fix Lag wrote:
I'd like a CCP statement on what they think of the whole situation. Clearly, the ESS is crap and they surely know that by now.

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