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Dev blog: More Deployables from Super Friends

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CCP SoniClover
C C P
C C P Alliance
#21 - 2014-01-14 15:34:49 UTC
Ali Aras wrote:
Asking questions here so I don't have to assume the answers are NDA'd...

What happens if a small fleet warps in? Say three people-- does it announce three of them, or just one? Also, what's the radius of the announcement?


There is a few second "cooldown" on the notification so it doesn´t get spammed when a bunch of people warp in. So in the case of three warping in, only one notification is sent out. People just have to use the intelligence tools at their disposal to discern the level of threat.
GallowsCalibrator
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2014-01-14 15:36:18 UTC  |  Edited by: GallowsCalibrator
At first glance, the ESS looks like a bit of a kick in the teeth to the three or four people left ratting in nullsec. The likelihood of anyone hitting 'share' is going to be about 0, so they're probably just going to get shot on principal. So it's pretty much a perpetual nerf to nullsec income, again.

Edit: The ESS should really, really be available in all areas of space (especially hisec) then it'll be interesting. And should have MUCH higher rewards for deployment to make it worthwhile.
Georgiy Giggle
Senclave
Apocalypse Now.
#23 - 2014-01-14 15:36:35 UTC
ESS is bull ****.
Owners of system will get money for nothing. So nullsec will become more empty.
Isn't it enought? Most regions are empty cuz ppl only mining moons. So now you wonna nerf life of normal carebears.

I dissargee with such feature.
Do not like.

Not mastering proprieties, won't become firmly established. - Confucius
CCP SoniClover
C C P
C C P Alliance
#24 - 2014-01-14 15:36:43 UTC
Weaselior wrote:

There's also no info on how long it takes this thing to power up, which is sort of important.


It´s 60 seconds.
Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-01-14 15:37:23 UTC
So the Rental Empires can put these up as a Tax on the renters.

"Please point to the place on the doll where the carebear touched you."
CCP SoniClover
C C P
C C P Alliance
#26 - 2014-01-14 15:37:29 UTC
Querns wrote:
I assume the tags will be converted into ISK via NPC buy orders. Will the orders for a given racial tag variant be restricted to that race's space? For example, if I happen upon some Caldari bounty tags, do I have to go to Caldari space in empire to turn them in, or can I sell them anywhere?


The empire fleets buy them.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-01-14 15:37:40 UTC
CCP SoniClover wrote:
Weaselior wrote:

There's also no info on how long it takes this thing to power up, which is sort of important.


It´s 60 seconds.

I think he means "how long does it take for the ESS to go from 20% to 25% bounties" bit.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Kaeda Maxwell
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#28 - 2014-01-14 15:38:43 UTC
Anything that reduces the amount of ISK introduced into the economy via faucets meets with my approval. So yay ESS.
scimichar
Deep Hole Explorers of New Eden
#29 - 2014-01-14 15:39:46 UTC
Let's nerf null sec ratting even more and make it even harder to find stuff to kill.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-01-14 15:40:15 UTC
Kaeda Maxwell wrote:
Anything that reduces the amount of ISK introduced into the economy via faucets meets with my approval. So yay ESS.


Unfortunately, this is not strictly a reduction. In fact, at full strength, the ESS allows more isk to enter the economy than previously. Of course, if no one uses the ESSes, then yeah, it'd be an ISK sink due to the lower total bounties.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
CCP SoniClover
C C P
C C P Alliance
#31 - 2014-01-14 15:40:31 UTC
Querns wrote:
CCP SoniClover wrote:
Weaselior wrote:

There's also no info on how long it takes this thing to power up, which is sort of important.


It´s 60 seconds.

I think he means "how long does it take for the ESS to go from 20% to 25% bounties" bit.


It depends on the amount of activity in the system (as each bounty payout has a chance of triggering increase). If several people are ratting together it should take around 30 minutes. If it´s a solo player it can take an hour or more.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2014-01-14 15:40:36 UTC
Querns wrote:

I think he means "how long does it take for the ESS to go from 20% to 25% bounties" bit.

This is correct. I realize it's based on the level of ratting, but I assume it can be expressed in isk or the like (100m isk in bounties to power up each 1% or the like).

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-01-14 15:41:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Warde Guildencrantz
Reiterating on lowsec, non-faction warfare lowsec is usually quite empty (except for specific systems) similar to nullsec's emptiness in specific places. Having bubbled ESSes droppable in this area of lowsec would add some PvP value to the systems.
I know bubbles aren't usually in lowsec, but this is a static bubble that (if you are well-informed) you should know about beforehand.


Georgiy Giggle wrote:
ESS is bull ****.
Owners of system will get money for nothing. So nullsec will become more empty.
Isn't it enought? Most regions are empty cuz ppl only mining moons. So now you wonna nerf life of normal carebears.

I dissargee with such feature.
Do not like.


They don't automatically get the ISK, you can go grab it before they do.

Maybe you have to shoot something occasionally then?

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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-01-14 15:41:12 UTC
Kaeda Maxwell wrote:
Anything that reduces the amount of ISK introduced into the economy via faucets meets with my approval. So yay ESS.



The two options either return the bounties to their owners or result in tags that get sold to NPCs. No reduction unless absolutely no one uses them, sorry.

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Nirnaeth Ornoediad
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2014-01-14 15:42:08 UTC
Just what null-sec needs: another nerf to ratting.

Solo interceptors are just going to flit around null-sec picking up money tags from people foolish enough to deploy these. The bubble won't even slow them down: they'll be able to warp to zero at the ESS.

Fix POSes.  Every player should want one (even if all players can't have one).
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#36 - 2014-01-14 15:42:30 UTC
CCP SoniClover wrote:

It depends on the amount of activity in the system (as each bounty payout has a chance of triggering increase). If several people are ratting together it should take around 30 minutes. If it´s a solo player it can take an hour or more.

Does each bounty, independent of the value have the same chance of triggering an increase? Are the increases 1%, .1%, or what?

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Kaeda Maxwell
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#37 - 2014-01-14 15:43:47 UTC
Querns wrote:
Kaeda Maxwell wrote:
Anything that reduces the amount of ISK introduced into the economy via faucets meets with my approval. So yay ESS.


Unfortunately, this is not strictly a reduction. In fact, at full strength, the ESS allows more isk to enter the economy than previously. Of course, if no one uses the ESSes, then yeah, it'd be an ISK sink due to the lower total bounties.


Don't overlook that it pays out in tags, a number of those will get destroyed, never cashed in at all for other reasons etc.

Overall I suspect it'll lead to reduction in ISK flowing in to the economy from rat bounties.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#38 - 2014-01-14 15:44:02 UTC
Will we ever get something similar to the ESS for Incursions?

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#39 - 2014-01-14 15:46:01 UTC
Dear CCP SoniClover (or Sonic Lover?)

Is there are cooldown for the "Take ISK/Tags" button? Or can 0.0 people just place an alt at the ESS and spam the button every 5 minutes to prevent roamers to get steal anything valuable?

Do you like the band Dire Straits?

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Isengrimus
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#40 - 2014-01-14 15:46:36 UTC
I don't believe these will be actually used by the systems' owners - on the contrary, they will be spammed like the system-wide Siphon units, only to be looted in a more convenient time. Unless the owners loot them first.

Which leads me to a question - will there be some sort of a log showing for example who claimed all the ISK stored in the ESS?

I understand they will be also deployable in NPC nullsec?

In the end, however, I agree that it will just chase more people to hisec, because currently the only few ratters left in the null who still believe in "high risk - high reward" will be easily deprived of the high reward part. So all in all it is a really bad invention.